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Commie Boy
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:19 pm
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I haven't abused you at all. Yes, you provide "fact" after "fact" That is the point. I could do the same. But I will let people make up their own mind. The posting of all these links. Just because you have a link doesn't mean it's right. All i was saying is "there is a protest" and implying, "if you want to go, then go." THAT is sharing information. You are giving "facts" and points to me as if because you say them, they are right...There is a difference between sharing information and preaching your viewpoint.

I've told you a thousand times, I could have a proper debate with you about this, but chose not to. No-one on this planet will ever change your mind, so there's no point. You however are having that debate on your own and using swipes at me to back up your cause.

And why was the George Bush "top gun" bit "small minded?" I thought it was funny. And if you look at the footage, did he not look like he was out of top gun..no?

CB

--Previous Message--

: I took 'since G.W.Bush did his Top Gun impression' to be small-minded.
:
: I thought I WAS sharing information. I did supply you with two lots of survey
: results. They report the opinions of the people you think you want to help.
:
: Yes, there was a hidden agenda. Even the anti-war Thruthout site notes this.
:
: Click here for the piece in question.
:
: Sample:
:
: The hidden plan, the magazine says, is to install an elected democracy in
: Iraq, then spread this transition — by military force, if necessary — to all
: neighboring Arab countries. But the strategy could go haywire, it says, because
: enraged Muslims in those nations might elect fanatical regimes.
:
: Once you see the survey reports I supplied, especially the second one, which
: found that 43 per cent of those surveyed had not attended Friday prayers EVEN
: ONCE in the previous month, you realise that there is little danger of 'enraged
: Muslims electing fanatical regimes', so it's a valid strategy.
:
: Going on a march isn't the same as presenting an argument. I give you fact
: after fact after fact and it is you who comes back with personal abuse.
:
: The world is becoming a better place! Smile. Be happy.
:
: DY
Commie Boy
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:29 pm
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I can see, that you are indeed a frequent visitor to such protests. Personally, I fall into the “tramp” part of the equation. This is of course as you rightly point, because I, like every else on the marches, haven’t ever worked in my life, live under a bench, have a tattoo of Stalin covering my entire right arm, and have more piercings than a dart board. Please forgive me for being either a) mis-guided or b) a scourge on society.

It’s lucky people like you are around, otherwise I’d have no idea which stereotype I fitted into. At least I now know who I am. Although can you at least let me know if I’m a) or b). I wouldn’t want people getting the wrong impression now ..would I?

CB


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: David
:
: I think you put your points across very well.
:
: It's people like Commie Boy that want us Royals out too!
:
: You only have to go to Hyde Park and see the make up of these people that are
: protesting - It's more like a Hippy & Tramp convention. - Maybe these people
: should get a job instead of hanging out in Parks, getting Tattoos and having
: various parts of their body & Face pierced.
:
: Don't get me wrong, some are genuinely misguided, the rest are just a scourge
: on Society.
:
: HRH
:
: --Previous Message--
:
: : Ok..Daivd..you've got me....2 points.
: :
: : 1. "The hidden agenda" !! So there was one, we just all got the specifics
: : wrong !! Interesting take.
: :
: : 2. "I truly pity you for your small-mindedness" Thanks !! David, that's
: the
: : worst line ever to use in an argument. Grow up. I never offered any argument
: or
: : any point about this. I simply told people about a war march. yet again
: without
: : meeting me, talking to me, or asking my opinion on anything specific, you
: pass a
: : ridiculous judgement.
: :
: : I put the "DY" joke in there so as not to start a political debate. I'm
: never
: : going to change your mind David, and gave up trying ages ago. So why do you
: : persist to attack me with childish, remarks. Faux pity for small
: : mindedness....very good...!
: :
: : Unlike you, I am not attempting to change anyone's opinion on this site, or
: : even attempting to put my side across. Last time I posted on this site
: letting
: : people know about a protest, I believe quite a few people went, including
: the
: : Mob.
: :
: : Try SHARING information David, instead of preaching to all of us of
: inferior
: : intelligence and "small mindedness"
: :
: : CB
: :
: : --Previous Message--
: :
: : : It's such a shame that no survey of Iraqi people has ever shown a
: majority
: : : wanting the coalition forces to leave.
: : :
: : : Channel4/YouGov poll results
: : :
: : : The above shows only a small minority wanting the US.UK forces out
: : : immediately.
: : :
: : : AND:
: : :
: : : http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleI...rticle_detail.asp
: : :
: : : This more recent survey showed again showed no desire among Iraqis for a
: : rapid
: : : exit.
: : :
: : : BOTH polls show the people of the country optimistic about the long term
: : : future of the country.
: : :
: : : The real reason for the US going to war wasn't oil, nor any immediate
: : threat
: : : from WMD (though in the long term it was a danger). The hidden agenda was
: : to
: : : force through an Arab Enlightenment to drag the whole region out of the
: : middle
: : : ages. The US reasons (correctly) that the West can't wait another five
: : centuries
: : : for it to happen organically.
: : :
: : : Iraq now has 150 free newspapers, a satellite television channel (dishes
: : were
: : : banned under Hussein) and no political prisoners.
: : :
: : : Its new found freedom has led to the entrepreneurs of Syria leaving the
: : : country to do business in Iraq. As a result of this, the Syrian leader
: Assad
: : has
: : : declared an end to one-party state rule. He has to, or there will be no
: : business
: : : class left!
: : :
: : : Change that would have taken decades otherwise has occured in a few
: months!
: : :
: : : You seem to have no sense of perspective at all. You see the sad deaths
: of
: : the
: : : men who lost their lives to bring this about as an excuse to attack Bush.
: I
: : : truly pity you for your small-mindedness.
: : :
: : : DY
: : :
: : : P.S. if you read nothing else from the links I supply above, get this:
: : :
: : : "Less than 30 percent of our sample of Iraqis knew or heard of anyone
: : killed
: : : in the spring fighting. Meanwhile, fully half knew some family member,
: : neighbor
: : : or friend who had been killed by Iraqi security forces during the years
: : Saddam
: : : held power."
El Bandido
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:25 pm
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So... Anyone for Poker:)

--Previous Message--

: DY, shall I save you a place at the front?
:
: Smile
:
: CB
Commie Boy
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:31 pm
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Good point, didn't think about that. Hyde Park..This saturday..£20 NLHE.....90 minutes for Re-buys. 500 starting chips.

See you there !!

Smile

CB

--Previous Message--

: So... Anyone for Poker:)
:
: --Previous Message--
:
: : DY, shall I save you a place at the front?
: :
: : Smile
: :
: : CB
El Bandido
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:41 pm
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Tee hee hee

Watch out... making jokes in the middle of a serious post could casue you actual physical harm.

Wink

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: Good point, didn't think about that. Hyde Park..This saturday..£20 NLHE.....90
: minutes for Re-buys. 500 starting chips.
:
: See you there !!
:
: Smile
:
: CB
:
: --Previous Message--
:
: : So... Anyone for Poker:)
: :
: : --Previous Message--
: :
: : : DY, shall I save you a place at the front?
: : :
: : : Smile
: : :
: : : CB

Commie Boy
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:50 pm
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True..I tried making a joke my first post and my second and look what happened !!!

but seriously..12.00a.m. Saturday maximum buy-in's are three and the maximum runners is 50. Just for trying to insult me, Prince Charles isn't invited.Smile

Shuffle up !!

CB
--Previous Message--

: Tee hee hee
:
: Watch out... making jokes in the middle of a serious post could casue you
: actual physical harm.
:
: Wink
:
: --Previous Message--
:
: : Good point, didn't think about that. Hyde Park..This saturday..£20
: NLHE.....90
: : minutes for Re-buys. 500 starting chips.
: :
: : See you there !!
: :
: : Smile
: :
: : CB
: :
: : --Previous Message--
: :
: : : So... Anyone for Poker:)
: : :
: : : --Previous Message--
: : :
: : : : DY, shall I save you a place at the front?
: : : :
: : : : Smile
: : : :
: : : : CB
:
Fwing
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 3:22 pm
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: What about the denazification of Germany?

A country that woke up in horror only after being thoroughly defeated, and was thus keen to change.

:
: Or the conversion of Japan after 1945 from a military-controlled, fascist,
: genocidal, emperor-worshiping society with a death cult approach to handling
: failure, to a peaceful country with reasonable democracy? The US stayed seven
: years to achieve that. I'm sure that some die-hard fanatics tried to stop it in
: the early days.

A country that woke up to a nuclear alarm clock, was thoroughly defeated, has an emperor that renounced his traditional powers, and was willing to change. And it STILL took 7 years.


:
: All that is different is that this time the US hasn't waited until millions
: have been killed.

Depends how far back you look and whether you count the deaths of the natives of the region. But I'm not going to get into that argument.

:
: As far as the muslim people are concerned, you overlook the fact that there
: are many in the region (as well as in the pakistani and arab communities of this
: country) who don't have strong religious beliefs and who would happily embrace a
: greater secularisation of their lives. Iran is ready to burst. People have had
: enough!

Yes, the "tidal wave of democracy". A similar tidal wave put the Ayatollahs in power remember.
There is no concept of secularism in islam. There is god's way or the highway. Even the "more secular" muslim countries are starting to slide. This is a huge and fundamental change to ask a culture to make. I'm not arguing that it doesn't need to be made but charging in guns-a-blazing and imposing a flawed, western-style system doesn't seem a great way of going about it IMO. The simple fact that there seems to be a desire to affect this massive change _quickly_ is my gravest concern.

:
: This is quite a timely discussion, as the World Bank and the IMF have finally
: stated that the middle-east has to change:

I'm sure that's a great relief to the market fundamentalist in you. Personally I'm less impressed. The IMF and WB would change every aspect of human behaviour if it led to greater fiscal efficiency and propriety.

:
: An example of what has to change.
:
: The last paragraph scores a direct hit too.

Or alternately "states the bleedin obvious". Deprivation and hardship make people turn to religion. Where did they dig up that nugget of wisdom? It's what got the Taliban in power, and Khomeini etc etc.

:
: DY
Strange
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 3:23 pm
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This post is buried in so much rambling that no-one will ever read it but....

In the referenced post you say:

"I've told you a thousand times, I could have a proper debate with you about this, but chose not to. No-one on this planet will ever change your mind, so there's no point."

You, Commie Boy, would presumably not wish to be characterised in this way. If that is so, then isn't there an implication that:

"I believe X, while you believe Y. However I am open to the possibility that, given enough informed debate on the matter, I might come to believe Y like you"

Is that your stance? Do you think that through informed debate you might come to believe that the US tactics in the gulf are right and proper?





--Previous Message--

: I haven't abused you at all. Yes, you provide "fact" after "fact" That is the
: point. I could do the same. But I will let people make up their own mind. The
: posting of all these links. Just because you have a link doesn't mean it's
: right. All i was saying is "there is a protest" and implying, "if you want to
: go, then go." THAT is sharing information. You are giving "facts" and points to
: me as if because you say them, they are right...There is a difference between
: sharing information and preaching your viewpoint.
:
: I've told you a thousand times, I could have a proper debate with you about
: this, but chose not to. No-one on this planet will ever change your mind, so
: there's no point. You however are having that debate on your own and using
: swipes at me to back up your cause.
:
: And why was the George Bush "top gun" bit "small minded?" I thought it was
: funny. And if you look at the footage, did he not look like he was out of top
: gun..no?
:
: CB
:
: --Previous Message--
:
: : I took 'since G.W.Bush did his Top Gun impression' to be small-minded.
: :
: : I thought I WAS sharing information. I did supply you with two lots of
: survey
: : results. They report the opinions of the people you think you want to help.
: :
: : Yes, there was a hidden agenda. Even the anti-war Thruthout site notes
: this.
: :
: : Click here for the piece in question.
: :
: : Sample:
: :
: : The hidden plan, the magazine says, is to install an elected democracy in
: : Iraq, then spread this transition — by military force, if necessary
: — to all
: : neighboring Arab countries. But the strategy could go haywire, it says,
: because
: : enraged Muslims in those nations might elect fanatical regimes.
: :
: : Once you see the survey reports I supplied, especially the second one,
: which
: : found that 43 per cent of those surveyed had not attended Friday prayers
: EVEN
: : ONCE in the previous month, you realise that there is little danger of
: 'enraged
: : Muslims electing fanatical regimes', so it's a valid strategy.
: :
: : Going on a march isn't the same as presenting an argument. I give you fact
: : after fact after fact and it is you who comes back with personal abuse.
: :
: : The world is becoming a better place! Smile. Be happy.
: :
: : DY
Commie Boy
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 3:42 pm
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You are completely right. Informed debate is the only way to achieve it. My point is, this is not the place for it. All my post referred to, was letting people know about a protest. I have made no comment whatsoever on an specifics regarding the war. I always also say this....My E-mail address is there if anyone wants an informed debate, and I'm in a grosvenor Casino most nights if anyone wants to discuss it face to face.

The reason for not "debating" with david, is we both have completely different opinions on life. Specific subjects are irrelevant. I am left wing, and always will be. David on the other hand is extremely right wing and always will be. I also make the assumption that we both know enough about the current situation to realise where the other person is coming from. We will not change each others opinion. That is why I deliberately try to avoid making any specific points about the war a) to David and b) on this site, because it isn't really the right place to do it.

Check my first post. Other than the joke to David, I make no assumptions or give no opinions about the war.

like I said, my e-mail address is there for anyone that wants it. Alternatively I'll be in the Grosvenor in Southampton tonight, attempting to re-coup in the money I lost in Luton !!

Be lucky

CB

--Previous Message--

: This post is buried in so much rambling that no-one will ever read it but....
:
: In the referenced post you say:
:
: "I've told you a thousand times, I could have a proper debate with you about
: this, but chose not to. No-one on this planet will ever change your mind, so
: there's no point."
:
: You, Commie Boy, would presumably not wish to be characterised in this way. If
: that is so, then isn't there an implication that:
:
: "I believe X, while you believe Y. However I am open to the possibility that,
: given enough informed debate on the matter, I might come to believe Y like you"
:
: Is that your stance? Do you think that through informed debate you might come
: to believe that the US tactics in the gulf are right and proper?
:
:
:
:
:
: --Previous Message--
:
: : I haven't abused you at all. Yes, you provide "fact" after "fact" That is
: the
: : point. I could do the same. But I will let people make up their own mind.
: The
: : posting of all these links. Just because you have a link doesn't mean it's
: : right. All i was saying is "there is a protest" and implying, "if you want
: to
: : go, then go." THAT is sharing information. You are giving "facts" and points
: to
: : me as if because you say them, they are right...There is a difference
: between
: : sharing information and preaching your viewpoint.
: :
: : I've told you a thousand times, I could have a proper debate with you about
: : this, but chose not to. No-one on this planet will ever change your mind,
: so
: : there's no point. You however are having that debate on your own and using
: : swipes at me to back up your cause.
: :
: : And why was the George Bush "top gun" bit "small minded?" I thought it was
: : funny. And if you look at the footage, did he not look like he was out of
: top
: : gun..no?
: :
: : CB
: :
: : --Previous Message--
: :
: : : I took 'since G.W.Bush did his Top Gun impression' to be small-minded.
: : :
: : : I thought I WAS sharing information. I did supply you with two lots of
: : survey
: : : results. They report the opinions of the people you think you want to
: help.
: : :
: : : Yes, there was a hidden agenda. Even the anti-war Thruthout site notes
: : this.
: : :
: : : Click here for the piece in question.
: : :
: : : Sample:
: : :
: : : The hidden plan, the magazine says, is to install an elected democracy in
: : : Iraq, then spread this transition — by military force, if necessary
: : — to all
: : : neighboring Arab countries. But the strategy could go haywire, it says,
: : because
: : : enraged Muslims in those nations might elect fanatical regimes.
: : :
: : : Once you see the survey reports I supplied, especially the second one,
: : which
: : : found that 43 per cent of those surveyed had not attended Friday prayers
: : EVEN
: : : ONCE in the previous month, you realise that there is little danger of
: : 'enraged
: : : Muslims electing fanatical regimes', so it's a valid strategy.
: : :
: : : Going on a march isn't the same as presenting an argument. I give you
: fact
: : : after fact after fact and it is you who comes back with personal abuse.
: : :
: : : The world is becoming a better place! Smile. Be happy.
: : :
: : : DY
John Le Huquet
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 4:10 pm
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--Previous Message--

Although we've been here before I've been enjoying this thread enormously; a sure sign I am neglecting crucial items on this week's "to do list" (yeah, yeah, sad I know).

Anyway, a couple of thoughts. Email is a double-edged sword when it comes to this sort of subject, as it's so hard to convey tone. The debate is being had nonetheless, but it only takes one miscontrused comment and off we veer into cod-abusive territory. You commie bastards. Oops. See what I mean. Although I hate them, it's why I can see - grudgingly - the point of smileys.

Seriously, I come from the died-in-the-wool liberal (note small 'I') fraternity, bordering on the libertarian. It's obligatory when you live in Islington, after all. One of the key issues raised here is whether nations/cultures have the right to get involved with the affairs of others. Despite my sympathies, I happen to believe they do.

The argument can be boiled down to the humdrum to bring it into focus: you believe your friend is fat. You may be wrong, you may be right. Either way, do you let them carry on being fat, or do you try and encourage them to get thin? This sort of pro-activity either wins the reputation of mischief-making or tell-it-as-it-is lifesaving. There isn't a right or wrong, is there?

When it comes to Islam, I happen to believe it needs a Reformation and am quite happy if this is encouraged actively. Religious Fundamentalists in the West are, by and large, kept in their kennels because we had a Reformation. And that's a good thing if you have a secular take on the world. But that's another thread.

As to the order of country in which it should be done, Ruairi asks interesting questions about Egypt and Kuwait. I think these can be answered. Egypt is much less secular than Iraq, and a suicidally tough nut to crack this early. The level of aid is irrelevant here. Kuwait is, put bluntly, too small to count when it comes to fomenting change in the region.

Iraq, however, is a prime candidate: it already has a strong secular tradition (courtesy of one S. Hussein, ironically), and borders a couple of other countries that fit the same category: Syria and Iran.

As for the war and subsequent occupation, I wonder where the detractors would be if an Arab league-type force had gone in. Are they allowed to intervene more than the West? Does proximity confer legitimacy?

Difficult questions. So much of this seems to boil down to whether the economic and societal advances exhibited by 21st life are destructive or liberating forces, be it on a personal, national or regional level. And that's a conundrum shared by your farmer in Iowa and your mullah in Muscat.

Personally, I blame the scientists (remind me, how do you do a smiley?)…

JLeH




: True..I tried making a joke my first post and my second and look what happened
: !!!
:
: but seriously..12.00a.m. Saturday maximum buy-in's are three and the maximum
: runners is 50. Just for trying to insult me, Prince Charles isn't invited.Smile
:
: Shuffle up !!
:
: CB
: --Previous Message--
:
: : Tee hee hee
: :
: : Watch out... making jokes in the middle of a serious post could casue you
: : actual physical harm.
: :
: : Wink
: :
: : --Previous Message--
: :
: : : Good point, didn't think about that. Hyde Park..This saturday..£20
: : NLHE.....90
: : : minutes for Re-buys. 500 starting chips.
: : :
: : : See you there !!
: : :
: : : Smile
: : :
: : : CB
: : :
: : : --Previous Message--
: : :
: : : : So... Anyone for Poker:)
: : : :
: : : : --Previous Message--
: : : :
: : : : : DY, shall I save you a place at the front?
: : : : :
: : : : : Smile
: : : : :
: : : : : CB
: :
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 4:34 pm
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so can I put you down for the £20 nlhe comp in hyde park saturday or what ?

Smile

CB

--Previous Message--

: --Previous Message--
:
: Although we've been here before I've been enjoying this thread enormously; a
: sure sign I am neglecting crucial items on this week's "to do list" (yeah, yeah,
: sad I know).
:
: Anyway, a couple of thoughts. Email is a double-edged sword when it comes to
: this sort of subject, as it's so hard to convey tone. The debate is being had
: nonetheless, but it only takes one miscontrused comment and off we veer into
: cod-abusive territory. You commie bastards. Oops. See what I mean. Although I
: hate them, it's why I can see - grudgingly - the point of smileys.
:
: Seriously, I come from the died-in-the-wool liberal (note small 'I')
: fraternity, bordering on the libertarian. It's obligatory when you live in
: Islington, after all. One of the key issues raised here is whether
: nations/cultures have the right to get involved with the affairs of others.
: Despite my sympathies, I happen to believe they do.
:
: The argument can be boiled down to the humdrum to bring it into focus: you
: believe your friend is fat. You may be wrong, you may be right. Either way, do
: you let them carry on being fat, or do you try and encourage them to get thin?
: This sort of pro-activity either wins the reputation of mischief-making or
: tell-it-as-it-is lifesaving. There isn't a right or wrong, is there?
:
: When it comes to Islam, I happen to believe it needs a Reformation and am
: quite happy if this is encouraged actively. Religious Fundamentalists in the
: West are, by and large, kept in their kennels because we had a Reformation. And
: that's a good thing if you have a secular take on the world. But that's another
: thread.
:
: As to the order of country in which it should be done, Ruairi asks interesting
: questions about Egypt and Kuwait. I think these can be answered. Egypt is much
: less secular than Iraq, and a suicidally tough nut to crack this early. The
: level of aid is irrelevant here. Kuwait is, put bluntly, too small to count when
: it comes to fomenting change in the region.
:
: Iraq, however, is a prime candidate: it already has a strong secular tradition
: (courtesy of one S. Hussein, ironically), and borders a couple of other
: countries that fit the same category: Syria and Iran.
:
: As for the war and subsequent occupation, I wonder where the detractors would
: be if an Arab league-type force had gone in. Are they allowed to intervene more
: than the West? Does proximity confer legitimacy?
:
: Difficult questions. So much of this seems to boil down to whether the
: economic and societal advances exhibited by 21st life are destructive or
: liberating forces, be it on a personal, national or regional level. And that's a
: conundrum shared by your farmer in Iowa and your mullah in Muscat.
:
: Personally, I blame the scientists (remind me, how do you do a smiley?)…
:
: JLeH
:
:
:
:
: : True..I tried making a joke my first post and my second and look what
: happened
: : !!!
: :
: : but seriously..12.00a.m. Saturday maximum buy-in's are three and the
: maximum
: : runners is 50. Just for trying to insult me, Prince Charles isn't
: invited.Smile
: :
: : Shuffle up !!
: :
: : CB
: : --Previous Message--
: :
: : : Tee hee hee
: : :
: : : Watch out... making jokes in the middle of a serious post could casue you
: : : actual physical harm.
: : :
: : : Wink
: : :
: : : --Previous Message--
: : :
: : : : Good point, didn't think about that. Hyde Park..This saturday..£20
: : : NLHE.....90
: : : : minutes for Re-buys. 500 starting chips.
: : : :
: : : : See you there !!
: : : :
: : : : Smile
: : : :
: : : : CB
: : : :
: : : : --Previous Message--
: : : :
: : : : : So... Anyone for Poker:)
: : : : :
: : : : : --Previous Message--
: : : : :
: : : : : : DY, shall I save you a place at the front?
: : : : : :
: : : : : : Smile
: : : : : :
: : : : : : CB
: : :
Bill O'Reilly
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 5:28 pm
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Hohoho funny lefty. I'm going to go for a highly rationalised argument here and state that I have found this argument to be pure wit. I'm so above you it almost hurts. I will provide no evidence for this, as I have learnt to from reading both far right and far left writings (such as yours).

Forgive my primal desires, but anyone at this protest should be shot through the face or possibly have some severe aversion therapy such as being beaten repeatedly for several years and castrated.

I'm liking this 'debate' more already. I bet your parents are real proud though eh? The misguided like to stick together.

Жду вашего ответа.

--Previous Message--

: so can I put you down for the £20 nlhe comp in hyde park saturday or what ?
:
: Smile
:
: CB
:
: --Previous Message--
:
: : --Previous Message--
: :
: : Although we've been here before I've been enjoying this thread enormously;
: a
: : sure sign I am neglecting crucial items on this week's "to do list" (yeah,
: yeah,
: : sad I know).
: :
: : Anyway, a couple of thoughts. Email is a double-edged sword when it comes
: to
: : this sort of subject, as it's so hard to convey tone. The debate is being
: had
: : nonetheless, but it only takes one miscontrused comment and off we veer
: into
: : cod-abusive territory. You commie bastards. Oops. See what I mean. Although
: I
: : hate them, it's why I can see - grudgingly - the point of smileys.
: :
: : Seriously, I come from the died-in-the-wool liberal (note small 'I')
: : fraternity, bordering on the libertarian. It's obligatory when you live in
: : Islington, after all. One of the key issues raised here is whether
: : nations/cultures have the right to get involved with the affairs of others.
: : Despite my sympathies, I happen to believe they do.
: :
: : The argument can be boiled down to the humdrum to bring it into focus: you
: : believe your friend is fat. You may be wrong, you may be right. Either way,
: do
: : you let them carry on being fat, or do you try and encourage them to get
: thin?
: : This sort of pro-activity either wins the reputation of mischief-making or
: : tell-it-as-it-is lifesaving. There isn't a right or wrong, is there?
: :
: : When it comes to Islam, I happen to believe it needs a Reformation and am
: : quite happy if this is encouraged actively. Religious Fundamentalists in
: the
: : West are, by and large, kept in their kennels because we had a Reformation.
: And
: : that's a good thing if you have a secular take on the world. But that's
: another
: : thread.
: :
: : As to the order of country in which it should be done, Ruairi asks
: interesting
: : questions about Egypt and Kuwait. I think these can be answered. Egypt is
: much
: : less secular than Iraq, and a suicidally tough nut to crack this early. The
: : level of aid is irrelevant here. Kuwait is, put bluntly, too small to count
: when
: : it comes to fomenting change in the region.
: :
: : Iraq, however, is a prime candidate: it already has a strong secular
: tradition
: : (courtesy of one S. Hussein, ironically), and borders a couple of other
: : countries that fit the same category: Syria and Iran.
: :
: : As for the war and subsequent occupation, I wonder where the detractors
: would
: : be if an Arab league-type force had gone in. Are they allowed to intervene
: more
: : than the West? Does proximity confer legitimacy?
: :
: : Difficult questions. So much of this seems to boil down to whether the
: : economic and societal advances exhibited by 21st life are destructive or
: : liberating forces, be it on a personal, national or regional level. And
: that's a
: : conundrum shared by your farmer in Iowa and your mullah in Muscat.
: :
: : Personally, I blame the scientists (remind me, how do you do a smiley?)…
: :
: : JLeH
: :
: :
: :
: :
: : : True..I tried making a joke my first post and my second and look what
: : happened
: : : !!!
: : :
: : : but seriously..12.00a.m. Saturday maximum buy-in's are three and the
: : maximum
: : : runners is 50. Just for trying to insult me, Prince Charles isn't
: : invited.Smile
: : :
: : : Shuffle up !!
: : :
: : : CB
: : : --Previous Message--
: : :
: : : : Tee hee hee
: : : :
: : : : Watch out... making jokes in the middle of a serious post could casue
: you
: : : : actual physical harm.
: : : :
: : : : Wink
: : : :
: : : : --Previous Message--
: : : :
: : : : : Good point, didn't think about that. Hyde Park..This saturday..£20
: : : : NLHE.....90
: : : : : minutes for Re-buys. 500 starting chips.
: : : : :
: : : : : See you there !!
: : : : :
: : : : : Smile
: : : : :
: : : : : CB
: : : : :
: : : : : --Previous Message--
: : : : :
: : : : : : So... Anyone for Poker:)
: : : : : :
: : : : : : --Previous Message--
: : : : : :
: : : : : : : DY, shall I save you a place at the front?
: : : : : : :
: : : : : : : Smile
: : : : : : :
: : : : : : : CB
: : : :
starsky
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 5:58 pm
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'religious fundamentalists in the west are by in large kept in their kennels..'

Very nice kennel The Whitehouse !
Commie Boy
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 6:08 pm
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Jesus dude...did your wife run off with a Russian or something? Not only have i never met anyone that angry, I've not come across anyone that angry that they rant it at a person on the internet they've never met !! LOL...Dude, smoke some weed and repeat after me...It's going to be ok, it's going to be ok, it's going to be ok.

Big hug

CB

--Previous Message--

: Hohoho funny lefty. I'm going to go for a highly rationalised argument here
: and state that I have found this argument to be pure wit. I'm so above you it
: almost hurts. I will provide no evidence for this, as I have learnt to from
: reading both far right and far left writings (such as yours).
:
: Forgive my primal desires, but anyone at this protest should be shot through
: the face or possibly have some severe aversion therapy such as being beaten
: repeatedly for several years and castrated.
:
: I'm liking this 'debate' more already. I bet your parents are real proud
: though eh? The misguided like to stick together.
:
: Жду вашего
: ответа.
:
: --Previous Message--
:
: : so can I put you down for the £20 nlhe comp in hyde park saturday or what ?
: :
: : Smile
: :
: : CB
: :
: : --Previous Message--
: :
: : : --Previous Message--
: : :
: : : Although we've been here before I've been enjoying this thread
: enormously;
: : a
: : : sure sign I am neglecting crucial items on this week's "to do list"
: (yeah,
: : yeah,
: : : sad I know).
: : :
: : : Anyway, a couple of thoughts. Email is a double-edged sword when it comes
: : to
: : : this sort of subject, as it's so hard to convey tone. The debate is being
: : had
: : : nonetheless, but it only takes one miscontrused comment and off we veer
: : into
: : : cod-abusive territory. You commie bastards. Oops. See what I mean.
: Although
: : I
: : : hate them, it's why I can see - grudgingly - the point of smileys.
: : :
: : : Seriously, I come from the died-in-the-wool liberal (note small 'I')
: : : fraternity, bordering on the libertarian. It's obligatory when you live
: in
: : : Islington, after all. One of the key issues raised here is whether
: : : nations/cultures have the right to get involved with the affairs of
: others.
: : : Despite my sympathies, I happen to believe they do.
: : :
: : : The argument can be boiled down to the humdrum to bring it into focus:
: you
: : : believe your friend is fat. You may be wrong, you may be right. Either
: way,
: : do
: : : you let them carry on being fat, or do you try and encourage them to get
: : thin?
: : : This sort of pro-activity either wins the reputation of mischief-making
: or
: : : tell-it-as-it-is lifesaving. There isn't a right or wrong, is there?
: : :
: : : When it comes to Islam, I happen to believe it needs a Reformation and am
: : : quite happy if this is encouraged actively. Religious Fundamentalists in
: : the
: : : West are, by and large, kept in their kennels because we had a
: Reformation.
: : And
: : : that's a good thing if you have a secular take on the world. But that's
: : another
: : : thread.
: : :
: : : As to the order of country in which it should be done, Ruairi asks
: : interesting
: : : questions about Egypt and Kuwait. I think these can be answered. Egypt is
: : much
: : : less secular than Iraq, and a suicidally tough nut to crack this early.
: The
: : : level of aid is irrelevant here. Kuwait is, put bluntly, too small to
: count
: : when
: : : it comes to fomenting change in the region.
: : :
: : : Iraq, however, is a prime candidate: it already has a strong secular
: : tradition
: : : (courtesy of one S. Hussein, ironically), and borders a couple of other
: : : countries that fit the same category: Syria and Iran.
: : :
: : : As for the war and subsequent occupation, I wonder where the detractors
: : would
: : : be if an Arab league-type force had gone in. Are they allowed to
: intervene
: : more
: : : than the West? Does proximity confer legitimacy?
: : :
: : : Difficult questions. So much of this seems to boil down to whether the
: : : economic and societal advances exhibited by 21st life are destructive or
: : : liberating forces, be it on a personal, national or regional level. And
: : that's a
: : : conundrum shared by your farmer in Iowa and your mullah in Muscat.
: : :
: : : Personally, I blame the scientists (remind me, how do you do a smiley?)…
: : :
: : : JLeH
: : :
: : :
: : :
: : :
: : : : True..I tried making a joke my first post and my second and look what
: : : happened
: : : : !!!
: : : :
: : : : but seriously..12.00a.m. Saturday maximum buy-in's are three and the
: : : maximum
: : : : runners is 50. Just for trying to insult me, Prince Charles isn't
: : : invited.Smile
: : : :
: : : : Shuffle up !!
: : : :
: : : : CB
: : : : --Previous Message--
: : : :
: : : : : Tee hee hee
: : : : :
: : : : : Watch out... making jokes in the middle of a serious post could casue
: : you
: : : : : actual physical harm.
: : : : :
: : : : : Wink
: : : : :
: : : : : --Previous Message--
: : : : :
: : : : : : Good point, didn't think about that. Hyde Park..This saturday..£20
: : : : : NLHE.....90
: : : : : : minutes for Re-buys. 500 starting chips.
: : : : : :
: : : : : : See you there !!
: : : : : :
: : : : : : Smile
: : : : : :
: : : : : : CB
: : : : : :
: : : : : : --Previous Message--
: : : : : :
: : : : : : : So... Anyone for Poker:)
: : : : : : :
: : : : : : : --Previous Message--
: : : : : : :
: : : : : : : : DY, shall I save you a place at the front?
: : : : : : : :
: : : : : : : : Smile
: : : : : : : :
: : : : : : : : CB
: : : : :
Schwobble
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 8:52 pm
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: The argument can be boiled down to the humdrum to bring it into focus: you
: believe your friend is fat. You may be wrong, you may be right. Either way, do
: you let them carry on being fat, or do you try and encourage them to get thin?

Depends whose fridge they're eating out of.

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