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MM Site Admin

Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 1678 Location: Hendon
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oneshotbob Full House

Joined: 06 Aug 2010 Posts: 1273 Location: York, United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: You are the Tournament Director: Only One Player At The Table |
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Interesting one. I think if he misses more than one hand of hand-for-hand play he is taking advantage and should be disqualified. Once that first hand has actually happened, he knows for sure it's an error and not a new table. _________________ @oneshotbobby on twitter |
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stowjon Royal Flush

Joined: 26 Oct 2008 Posts: 7228 Location: willingham
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: You are the Tournament Director: Only One Player At The Table |
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DQ is very harsh IMO. DQ is appropriate IMO. i cant make my mind up, its a real tough call.
The player clearly is wrong, TBH i dont think actually i dont know what i think on this!
lets just punch him! _________________ "There's not enough hippies to save our lives, We need more hippies" |
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seldo High Card
Joined: 08 Mar 2011 Posts: 7
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: You are the Tournament Director: Only One Player At The Table |
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Violence is always the best solution!
Seriously though, I think a dq is too much here but a 1 round penalty is too little. Somewhere in the middle would be my best bet. |
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stowjon Royal Flush

Joined: 26 Oct 2008 Posts: 7228 Location: willingham
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: You are the Tournament Director: Only One Player At The Table |
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30 min sit out seldo? this is my thinking BTW welcome to the forum _________________ "There's not enough hippies to save our lives, We need more hippies" |
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Indestructible Moderator

Joined: 21 May 2005 Posts: 15019 Location: Final Table
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: You are the Tournament Director: Only One Player At The Table |
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Player has only done what he was told? He is owed an apology and a free drink on the house for Giving him duff information.  |
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knifeboy62 Full House

Joined: 05 Nov 2006 Posts: 1428 Location: Bristol
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: You are the Tournament Director: Only One Player At The Table |
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Not sure I have a better answer than DQ but that could be extremely harsh in certain circumstances. What if this was first ever live tourney the person had played and they genuinely didn't realise that this was a clear error by staff?
Should we really say that the player (paying customer) must be experienced enough to see this was a problem but that it's ok for the (paid) staff to make the mistake. It would be like ordering a bottle of £20 wine, being served a £2000 bottle and being charged the £2000 because the customer did not point out the error of the staff.
Maybe I would give the person that sat out and the person that bubbled the chance to toss a coin for who survived with the remaining chipstack. Not a great solution but seems a little more equitable. _________________ "Brandon Uhl @BrandonUhl
@knifeboy62 @limonpoker Ty mike love your poker game your a boss" - lolz |
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DCSW7 Straight Flush

Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 3834 Location: Spewing @ PLO
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: You are the Tournament Director: Only One Player At The Table |
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What a cluster****
| Quote: | | I sat at the table for a several minutes until the bubble burst and then called the TD over and asked if anyone else was coming to the table. |
The way that is phrased sounds as though he/she knew exactly what they were doing. Seems like a DQ is well deserved and perfectly valid IMO.
As for the prize money, I assume it has to go to the original "bubbler". Not sure what else the TD could do there? Whatever they do, someone is going to be hacked off... Its players money, so I guess it would be unacceptable for the $$$ to be donated to charity? _________________ Not surprised Xavi's been replaced. His pass completion rate was only 89%. Useless. |
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StGilmore Straight Flush

Joined: 12 May 2010 Posts: 2820 Location: nil fhios agam
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: You are the Tournament Director: Only One Player At The Table |
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This began as TD error and continued as unethical advantage-taking by player.
Someone drops a £50 note. Guy finds it - after a moment, a person comes saying 'I lost 50 quid! Anyone seen anything???' Guy keeps the money in his pocket and stares at passing traffic.
Disqualification. _________________ "I find it's best to start the day with no composure and then you've got nothing to lose." B. Boatman
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DCSW7 Straight Flush

Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 3834 Location: Spewing @ PLO
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: You are the Tournament Director: Only One Player At The Table |
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| StGilmore wrote: | This began as TD error and continued as unethical advantage-taking by player.
Someone drops a £50 note. Guy finds it - after a moment, a person comes saying 'I lost 50 quid! Anyone seen anything???' Guy keeps the money in his pocket and stares at passing traffic.
Disqualification. |
£50? Don't you think in €?  _________________ Not surprised Xavi's been replaced. His pass completion rate was only 89%. Useless. |
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StGilmore Straight Flush

Joined: 12 May 2010 Posts: 2820 Location: nil fhios agam
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: You are the Tournament Director: Only One Player At The Table |
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| DCSW7 wrote: | | StGilmore wrote: | This began as TD error and continued as unethical advantage-taking by player.
Someone drops a £50 note. Guy finds it - after a moment, a person comes saying 'I lost 50 quid! Anyone seen anything???' Guy keeps the money in his pocket and stares at passing traffic.
Disqualification. |
£50? Don't you think in €?  |
Actually, like many, many here, we still often speak in pounds, quid and 50p even though the byootiful Irish punt has been gone soooo long. There's also the certainty that had I used euro half you lot would get stuck on that bit.  _________________ "I find it's best to start the day with no composure and then you've got nothing to lose." B. Boatman
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DCSW7 Straight Flush

Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 3834 Location: Spewing @ PLO
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: You are the Tournament Director: Only One Player At The Table |
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(and apologies for the thread derail!) _________________ Not surprised Xavi's been replaced. His pass completion rate was only 89%. Useless. |
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pembo Full House

Joined: 20 Mar 2011 Posts: 1020 Location: Marske-by-the-Sea/Cambridge
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: You are the Tournament Director: Only One Player At The Table |
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I do like how all the TDs are quick to defend their fellow director and pass the blame straight onto the player.
I know you can argue that the player should have realised that he was on his own, but surely the tournament director could see a player sat on a table by himself?
Obviously we don't have the full story, but I feel sorry for the bubble boy, but seeing as the TD is in just as much error as the player in the story, they should just suck it up and at least offer the bubble his buy-in back, or something similar. |
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The Reverend In Rhythm

Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 6033 Location: In Rhythm
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: You are the Tournament Director: Only One Player At The Table |
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| pembo wrote: | | I know you can argue that the player should have realised that he was on his own, but surely the tournament director could see a player sat on a table by himself? |
As a spec and/or busted player I have sat down at an empty table, can hardly expect TD to check anyone sitting at an empty table if they got given the wrong card and are sitting there like an idiot on their own.
| pembo wrote: | | Obviously we don't have the full story, but I feel sorry for the bubble boy, but seeing as the TD is in just as much error as the player in the story, they should just suck it up and at least offer the bubble his buy-in back, or something similar. |
The TD/staff made an error, that would have been easily fixed if the player had brought it to their attention. Not the same as the player who deliberately tried to take advantage. The bubble has to get the last place prize money at least. Provided we can be positive the sat out player was aware of what was going on (easier said than done on the night), then it's fair to disqualify him. It was only his inaction that created an issue. Should be given the entry juice back though as it was casino error to start, but that's likely just rubbing it in.
Real world, give him his buy-in back and be apologetic, else you won't see him at the venue again. |
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_doubleup Flush
Joined: 15 Apr 2005 Posts: 587
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:29 pm Post subject: Re: You are the Tournament Director: Only One Player At The Table |
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| We don't know how many chips he had - if he had 2bbs then dq prob ok, but if he was chip leader then obv no advantage (in fact prob a disadvantage). |
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