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padrina70
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 Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 3:47 pm
Post subject: Run it twice, 3 times etc question |
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If a game allows you to run it twice, 3 times etc
What are the procedures
Both players have to be all in 1st, then if one asks the other do u want to run it twice
Is it a simple yes or no or are the players allowed to disclose both their holdings and then decide to run it or not run it?
Also what happens if
3 players are in a pot, player a is all in, player b and c continue betting and create a side pot, further betting continues and both players are all in
Now there is a main pot with £1000 and a side pot £800.
Both players b and c agree to run it twice, player a says he does not want it run twice
What happens here?
Is player a effected? |
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pembo
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 4:18 pm
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I suppose it depends on present company. I've seen multiple times on HSP when players will get it all in, flip, then decide to run it x times. But you need to consider here that they are all friends and are getting paid how ever much to make the show entertaining. If it's a home game, as long as every one is happy about running it more than once, I don't see why there should be a restriction as in the first question, as long as both players are happy.
I'm not sure of the protocol of the second question, but I don't see why b and c can't run it twice for the side pot alone. (so you draw the river, calculate who wins main pot, if b or c win the main pot, they get half the side pot, and you draw another river card and the winner (between b and c) of the the river gets the rest of the side pot). Player a is in no way affected by this, so as far as I'm concerned, a has no voice in whether it's ran more than once. |
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knifeboy62
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 4:43 pm
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this is the one and only thing I have in common with Barry Greenstein, I only ever run it once 
Running multiple times slows down the game and if you are that bothered about reducing your variance you are playing in a game you are not rolled for.
Conventional protocol says let the fish decide because it's good for the game, you can shear a sheep many times etc, etc I think that there are plenty of other ways to be gracious and friendly though without slowing down the game and encouraging your opponents to push reckless draws.
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pembo
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 5:25 pm
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| knifeboy62 wrote: | | this is the one and only thing I have in common with Barry Greenstein, I only ever run it once |
Does Brunson not also think this way? |
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Kid Mez
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 6:23 pm
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| pembo wrote: | | knifeboy62 wrote: | | this is the one and only thing I have in common with Barry Greenstein, I only ever run it once |
Does Brunson not also think this way? |
I could be wrong but I remember seeing Brunson run it more than once on television.
I think Brunson is the one known for never wanting to count his chips when someone asks how much he has behind, and Greenstein to only run it once.
I watched an episode of Poker after Dark a while ago where Hellmuth and Matusow both agreed to take back about 3/4th of the pot w AKs vs JJ, after the initial open raiser folded his AKo to the 4-bet shove and a call. That struck me as being a little off.
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StGilmore
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:23 pm
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| Kid Mez wrote: | | pembo wrote: | | knifeboy62 wrote: | | this is the one and only thing I have in common with Barry Greenstein, I only ever run it once |
Does Brunson not also think this way? |
I could be wrong but I remember seeing Brunson run it more than once on television.
I think Brunson is the one known for never wanting to count his chips when someone asks how much he has behind, and Greenstein to only run it once.
I watched an episode of Poker after Dark a while ago where Hellmuth and Matusow both agreed to take back about 3/4th of the pot w AKs vs JJ, after the initial open raiser folded his AKo to the 4-bet shove and a call. That struck me as being a little off. |
Brunson will never ask to run it twice, but if another player does he usually agrees.
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DropTheHammer
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:35 pm
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| Kid Mez wrote: | | ...Hellmuth and Matusow both agreed to take back about 3/4th of the pot w AKs vs JJ, after the initial open raiser folded his AKo to the 4-bet shove and a call. That struck me as being a little off. |
I've done this myself with AK v QQ after another player with AK folded preflop (because of the action). The AK folder got quite angry but I said it was nothing to do with him (we are all mates who play regulalrly together) as it wasn't some conspiracy or collusion. I was trying to explain to him it's effectively the same as running it as many times as the remaining pack will allow. I was quite surprised the QQ guy was happy to take some back from the pot as he was such a good favourite, but he didn't have much dough to play with that night.
My take on the running it (in this game mentioned above) is that I openly say "I am only ever running it once" as I feel this should lessen the chance of people trying to bluff me. But I'm not sure if they would be able to think on that level  |
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Poker Jon
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 10:47 pm
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| knifeboy62 wrote: | this is the one and only thing I have in common with Barry Greenstein, I only ever run it once
Running multiple times slows down the game and if you are that bothered about reducing your variance you are playing in a game you are not rolled for.
Conventional protocol says let the fish decide because it's good for the game, you can shear a sheep many times etc, etc I think that there are plenty of other ways to be gracious and friendly though without slowing down the game and encouraging your opponents to push reckless draws. |
I'm sure I sawBG ask Tom dwan if he wanted to run it twice when BG had AA and TD had KhQh on a hhx board for like a million dollar pot.
Dwan said insta no and then proceeded to hit his heart on the turn |
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Uibhist a tuath
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 10:51 pm
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| Yeah thats right Jon, BG must have seen it coming! |
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darrensprengers
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 11:42 pm
Post subject: Re: Run it twice, 3 times etc question |
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| Poker Jon wrote: | | knifeboy62 wrote: | this is the one and only thing I have in common with Barry Greenstein, I only ever run it once
Running multiple times slows down the game and if you are that bothered about reducing your variance you are playing in a game you are not rolled for.
Conventional protocol says let the fish decide because it's good for the game, you can shear a sheep many times etc, etc I think that there are plenty of other ways to be gracious and friendly though without slowing down the game and encouraging your opponents to push reckless draws. |
I'm sure I sawBG ask Tom dwan if he wanted to run it twice when BG had AA and TD had KhQh on a hhx board for like a million dollar pot.
Dwan said insta no and then proceeded to hit his heart on the turn |
it was the other way round and it was spades. dwan asked if he bg wanted to run it more than one. he said i only run it once. he said to dwan about taking some money back. dwan refused that.
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pembo
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 12:10 am
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Where you there, or something?  |
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Poker Jon
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 11:55 am
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| Ahh ok - it was a while back. |
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