Im not a tournament director but..

[bigc82]

Playing in a l wee live tourny tonight the following hand happened.

Seat 1 - SB
Seat 2 - BB
Seat 3 - Calls
Seat 4 - Folds
Seat 5 - Raise
Seat 6 - All in for less than full raise
Seat 7 - Call
Blinds fold.

Can seat 3 still raise?

I say yes, guys running the tournament say no that because he has already acted The all in for less than a raise prevents him re raising.

In the end it didnt matter as Seat 3 folded. But these guys run the only decent games I can get where I live.

One pipes up that it happened to him in Blackpool and another guy says he saw it happen atDTD, but cant see how this can be the correct rule.

Surely Raise by Seat 5 opens all the action up to Seat 3.

Will hold my hands up if wrong but would like some opinions as got another tournament tomorrow.

[Sink Me]

IMHO the (full) raise from seat five opens the action agan for seat three regardless of the all-in action following that.

If seat three does not re-raise again but just calls the all-in, seat five cannot re-raise again as the all-in re-raise to his original raise was not a full raise.

If seat three does decide to raise again, this opens all options to seats five and seven.

In these sort of cases, as long as there has been a full raise after seat x's action, all options are open to seat x regardless of subsequent "under" all-ins following the full raise.
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[bigc82]

Thats my opinion to Sink. Just need to convince these guys Im right.

[Ricky9]

Can I ask what company this was please. There is a badly worded rule that gets interpreted wrong by many inexperienced TD's "In no-limit and pot limit, an all-in wager of less than a full raise does not reopen the betting to a player who has already acted." I have heard this a couple of times whereby a TD doesn't allow ANYONE that has already acted facing a legitimate raise to raise, but they obviously haven't read the rule correctly.

In the OP seat 5 has made a full raise therefore action to seat 3 is reopened.

[dwh103]

Mr Beevers will probably be along to clarify the under-raise rule, god knows how many times he's done so (I've asked the question too!).

Any raise that's less than the minimum, for the purposes of reopening action should be treated as a call.

Therefore seat 3 can reraise, seat 5 cannot.
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[CaptainGee]

This exact situation happened at the fox a year or so ago and seat 3 was told he can only call. The dealer was asked to call a TD but refused as he was so adamant the rule was correct.

Seat 3 was not happy as he had KK and he ended up losing his stack to seat 5 who almost certainly would have folded had seat 3 been allowed to raise (and done so with a reasonable raise).

TD was eventually called AFTER the hand had played out and had no choice now but to allow the hand to stand as played and had to criticise the dealer for not calling him as the situation had arisen.

[bigc82]