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DropTheHammer
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:28 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=...-mQk4VhuM#t=2370s
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:41 pm
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One of the managers in the casino i worked in remembered the order of 11 decks of shuffled cards. Think that was a Guiness record at the time.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:37 pm
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peterH wrote:
One of the managers in the casino i worked in remembered the order of 11 decks of shuffled cards. Think that was a Guiness record at the time.


"Dave Farrow is a two-time Guinness Record holder for Greatest Memory. In 1996 he memorized the order of 52 decks of playing cards, randomly shuffled together, and recalled them correctly under Guinness Record (a total of 2704 cards).[2] In 2007, Farrow reclaimed this record by memorizing 59 decks of playing cards,[3] making him the current record holder for Greatest Memory (a total of 3068 cards)."

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I thought that sounded a bit too easy to be a record.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:58 pm
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I don't believe for a minute that you can shuffle a deck of cards and have that ordering be the first ever, as if Stephen Fry's pudgy fingers are unique. Terrible research.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:21 pm
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Should've done a scramble shuffle.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:29 pm
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Seb wrote:
I don't believe for a minute that you can shuffle a deck of cards and have that ordering be the first ever, as if Stephen Fry's pudgy fingers are unique. Terrible research.


Laws of probability says he's probably correct.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:11 pm
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well if it is a brand new deck that is still in order from the way he shuffled it I would say it is impossible for them to be back in order after
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:32 pm
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Grumbledook wrote:
well if it is a brand new deck that is still in order from the way he shuffled it I would say it is impossible for them to be back in order after


Discounting sleight of hand, improbable maybe, but not impossible.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:22 am
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Roger Porter wrote:
Grumbledook wrote:
well if it is a brand new deck that is still in order from the way he shuffled it I would say it is impossible for them to be back in order after


Discounting sleight of hand, improbable maybe, but not impossible.


Fry explained how infinitesmial the chances are in the programme. It's

80658175170943878571660636856403766975289505440883277824000000000000 to 1.

To put this into a more familiar context it's like guessing all the lottery numbers correctly in order if there were fifty-two balls and all fifty-two of them were used.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:34 am
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evelyn wrote:
Roger Porter wrote:
Grumbledook wrote:
well if it is a brand new deck that is still in order from the way he shuffled it I would say it is impossible for them to be back in order after


Discounting sleight of hand, improbable maybe, but not impossible.


Fry explained how infinitesmial the chances are in the programme. It's

80658175170943878571660636856403766975289505440883277824000000000000 to 1.

To put this into a more familiar context it's like guessing all the lottery numbers correctly in order if there were fifty-two balls and all fifty-two of them were used.


Exactly. It's not impossible.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:40 am
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The real odds are nothing like that. He did four standard shuffles in a row, copying countless others.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:43 am
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The cards were not a brand new pack when he started shuffling and were already in a random order.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:00 am
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Oh. Bit of a misdirect then.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:00 am
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With impossible being the operative word here, let us say for arguments sake that it was a new, un-shuffled deck and that no jiggerpokery was going on during the shuffle. Is it still impossible for the cards to return to their original order?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:03 am
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no, but the way he did it, yes
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