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hackett
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:52 pm
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This is a TCOOP event - My theory here was although just slightly below average, with the blinds going up every 5 mins i was going to choose a hand and go with it.

I think my reasoning was sound and i am trying not to be results orientated but.....

Poker Stars $20+$2 Limit Stud Tournament - t400/t800 Limit + t80 - 8 players - View hand 1607894
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Seat 1: t6287 M = 5.07
Seat 2: t4420 M = 3.56
Seat 3: t1898 M = 1.53
Hero (): t5279 M = 4.26
Seat 5: t12128 M = 9.78
Seat 6: t7094 M = 5.72
Seat 7: t3386 M = 2.73
Seat 8: t5033 M = 4.06

3rd Street: (1.6 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 5 :club:____Seat 1 folds
Seat 2: xx xx 6 :diamond:____Seat 2 calls____Seat 2 folds
Seat 3: xx xx K :club:____Seat 3 raises____Seat 3 caps!
Hero: Q Hearts 3 Hearts 4 :heart:___Hero calls___Hero calls
Seat 5: xx xx T :heart:____Seat 5 folds
Seat 6: xx xx 2 :spade:____Seat 6 brings in for $120____Seat 6 folds
Seat 7: xx xx 4 :spade:____Seat 7 folds
Seat 8: xx xx J :club:____Seat 8 completes____Seat 8 3-bets____Seat 8 calls

4th Street: (14.9 SB) (3 players)
Seat 3: xx xx K Clubs 9 :spade:____Seat 3 bets all in
Hero: Q Hearts 3 Hearts 4 Hearts J :diamond:___Hero calls___Hero calls
Seat 8: xx xx J Clubs 3 :spade:____Seat 8 completes

5th Street: (8.723 BB) (3 players - 1 is all in)
Seat 3: xx xx K Clubs 9 Spades A Clubs
Hero: Q Hearts 3 Hearts 4 Hearts J Diamonds 4 :club:___Hero bets
Seat 8: xx xx J Clubs 3 Spades 9 :diamond:____Seat 8 calls

6th Street: (10.723 BB) (3 players - 1 is all in)
Seat 3: xx xx K Clubs 9 Spades A Clubs 2 Hearts
Hero: Q Hearts 3 Hearts 4 Hearts J Diamonds 4 Clubs 9 :heart:___Hero bets
Seat 8: xx xx J Clubs 3 Spades 9 Diamonds T :diamond:____Seat 8 calls

7th Street: (12.723 BB) (3 players - 1 is all in)
Seat 3: xx xx K Clubs 9 Spades A Clubs 2 Hearts xx
Hero: Q Hearts 3 Hearts 4 Hearts J Diamonds 4 Clubs 9 Hearts 5 :spade:___Hero bets
Seat 8: xx xx J Clubs 3 Spades 9 Diamonds T Diamonds xx____Seat 8 calls

Final Pot: 14.723 BB
Seat 3 mucks Q Diamonds T Spades K Clubs 9 Spades A Clubs 2 Hearts 6 Clubs
Hero shows Q Hearts 3 Hearts 4 Hearts J Diamonds 4 Clubs 9 Hearts 5 Spades (a pair of Fours)
Seat 8 shows J Spades 2 Diamonds J Clubs 3 Spades 9 Diamonds T Diamonds 8 Hearts (a pair of Jacks)
Seat 8 wins 6.455 BB
Seat 8 wins 8.268 BB

Bet on 7th didn't accomplish anything as pot was so big by this point, but at a bit of a loss here.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:58 pm
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Picking a hand around avearge stack levels and going with it is never a reason for getting them in. This is a flawed mind condition and you need to lose it. Never think you must get them in, there are always options, don't take the obvious/easy one. Expand your mind to the outer thinking.

I'll review the hand open minded and post again.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:23 pm
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Bogus wrote:
Picking a hand around avearge stack levels and going with it is never a reason for getting them in. This is a flawed mind condition and you need to lose it. Never think you must get them in, there are always options, don't take the obvious/easy one. Expand your mind to the outer thinking.

I'll review the hand open minded and post again.


Many thanks to whomever put it into a presentable format.

Thank you for your input sir.

Additional information within 1 minute the blinds/stakes were going up to 500 / 1000. This is a turbo, many moons ago when i dabbled in stud i was told get to a point, chose a hand and then go with it.

I believe (Rightly or wrongly) i would go with this. I am unsure from an MTT Limit stud perspective where the push point is.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:01 pm
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I don't object per se to choosing a hand and going with it but why this one?

Q43s doesnt seem very strong to me with an open K ahead who has already raised and a 2,5,6 all showing. Only one heart showing is not bad but I just don't think the draw is nearly strong enough here to commit to it.

I am also not sure whether you really had committed to it tbh, why would you not 3-bet on 3rd street yourself if you really were committed to the hand?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:29 pm
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knifeboy62 wrote:
I don't object per se to choosing a hand and going with it but why this one?

Q43s doesnt seem very strong to me with an open K ahead who has already raised and a 2,5,6 all showing. Only one heart showing is not bad but I just don't think the draw is nearly strong enough here to commit to it.

I am also not sure whether you really had committed to it tbh, why would you not 3-bet on 3rd street yourself if you really were committed to the hand?


This actually smacked me in the face when i reviewed it again - I figured 3 to a flush and with only one heart on view this seemed ok, but when i looked through it again if i had truly committed i would of been jamming every street!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:48 pm
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IMO there's no need to truly commit to a drawing hand like this on third street, unless you're shorter stacked than you were.

I would look to see fourth street for a small bet and hope to draw a heart, or at least something that gives your hand more of a chance. The JDiamonds wasn't enough to continue in the hand IMO.

Also as KB mentioned, you didn't really commit to the hand - raise/re-raise is the only way to 'go to war' with a hand in stud.
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