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Hullcity Flush

Joined: 26 Jan 2011 Posts: 689 Location: East Yorkshire
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:54 pm Post subject: The Psychology of grinding and building a new BR |
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After getting my BR trapped on FT, I stuck 24$ on pokerstars and have been grinding and turned it into 39$ at 1c/2c 9 tabling. I have been able to play disciplined despite it being for such tiny stakes. Its taken me like 13 hours to do this! (using tracking software to help, normally doing other stuff online and play on autopilot unless something unusual happens) I was up to 35$ pretty quick and then hit a downswing and went down to 20$ and now had an upswing and hit 39$ now.
Grinding a bankroll up is very frustrating but I guess a lot of people will need to start again if they had their bankrolls on FT as it seems unlikely we will get it back for a while if ever. I wondered what peoples plan was? Is anybody starting from a small deposit again? I am gonna see if I can get to 100$ quick and then hit the 2c/5c and maybe mix in some 5.50 stts, I would like to try and get to gold on pokerstars this month maybe Platinum if I run hot enough and am able to move up. |
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knifeboy62 Full House

Joined: 05 Nov 2006 Posts: 1428 Location: Bristol
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: The Psychology of grinding and building a new BR |
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| Hullcity wrote: | After getting my BR trapped on FT, I stuck 24$ on pokerstars and have been grinding and turned it into 39$ at 1c/2c 9 tabling. I have been able to play disciplined despite it being for such tiny stakes. Its taken me like 13 hours to do this! (using tracking software to help, normally doing other stuff online and play on autopilot unless something unusual happens) I was up to 35$ pretty quick and then hit a downswing and went down to 20$ and now had an upswing and hit 39$ now.
Grinding a bankroll up is very frustrating but I guess a lot of people will need to start again if they had their bankrolls on FT as it seems unlikely we will get it back for a while if ever. I wondered what peoples plan was? Is anybody starting from a small deposit again? I am gonna see if I can get to 100$ quick and then hit the 2c/5c and maybe mix in some 5.50 stts, I would like to try and get to gold on pokerstars this month maybe Platinum if I run hot enough and am able to move up. |
lesson for next time - don't keep all your bankroll in one place. This is not meant as a slam on FT per se, just some useful advice on how to manage your money if you really are trying to grind up from such a small BR. BR management is more than just playing stakes at a level that makes sense for BR/win rate/variance.
Same would apply if you were playing live - would you keep your entire BR in your pocket every time you travelled to the casino? If so, where do you play and where do you normally park in the car park  |
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Hullcity Flush

Joined: 26 Jan 2011 Posts: 689 Location: East Yorkshire
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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I was going for the max iron man bonus and cashing out and redepositing a lot would have hit my rakeback, obviously with hindsight I should have cashed the whole lot out as soon as it was obvious they couldnt pay the US players and relocated on another site, I just kind of felt entitled to that Iron Man bonus I had been grinding for. They also suckered me in with the take 2 bonus as well!, giving a large bonus which had to be cleared in a short space of time.
I am up to 44$ now on pokerstars. One thing about 1c/2c is that most of the profit seems to come from the big pots which seems to produce some variance as you encounter a lot of suckouts from donks calling all ins with flush draws etc |
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Grumbledook Moderator

Joined: 25 Dec 2003 Posts: 15735
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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I built mine up from 4 tabling limit hold'em with rakeback on a party skin
I can't stand limit hold'em now though |
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evelyn Quads
Joined: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 2094
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| Wouldn't it be quicker to play the micro sngs like boku87 did in his challenge ? I believe he played the 18s, 45s, 90s and 180s. |
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Jagster Straight

Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 237 Location: Stockport
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:53 am Post subject: |
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Yes this is what Ive been doing for the last four years.
Oh wait a minute.......
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Hullcity Flush

Joined: 26 Jan 2011 Posts: 689 Location: East Yorkshire
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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| when i last played in 2010 on there I had nearly cleared a 10$ steller bonus, they left it as it was and I just cleared it. My BR now stands at $53.44. I wonder if I should switch to the S+Gs. I remember i built a pokerstars bankroll from scratch (15$ deposit) back in 2009 in the 1.10 turbo 45 man s+gs |
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evelyn Quads
Joined: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 2094
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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| That's what I'd do. You could check boku87's challenge for his bankroll management rules. |
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Hullcity Flush

Joined: 26 Jan 2011 Posts: 689 Location: East Yorkshire
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| 8 hours more of grinding NL2 this weekend! my bankroll stands at 63.18$. God knows how the live pros build a million $ from scratch playing only 1 table at once. Even playing 9 tables with some massive donks on them it can take a while to actually stack somebody. And most of the profit in NL2 seems to come from the big pots. There are some nits around tho surprisingly with stats like 12/8 and a 3 bet % of 2, I 3- bet one with QQ (which was a mistake as he wont play on with a worse hand, should see the flop to either set mine or keep his weaker hands in) without having checking the stats and when he 4 bet and I saw his stats i quickly folded. Im playing 18/15 and a 3 bet % of 6 which is fairly TAG. Hopefully i will hit a nice upswing soon. I may switch to the turbo s+gs soon as was suggested |
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pembo Full House

Joined: 20 Mar 2011 Posts: 1020 Location: Marske-by-the-Sea/Cambridge
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Hullcity wrote: | | 8 hours more of grinding NL2 this weekend! my bankroll stands at 63.18$. God knows how the live pros build a million $ from scratch playing only 1 table at once. |
I've not heard of this, I was aware they all multitabled... |
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Hullcity Flush

Joined: 26 Jan 2011 Posts: 689 Location: East Yorkshire
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| pembo wrote: | | Hullcity wrote: | | 8 hours more of grinding NL2 this weekend! my bankroll stands at 63.18$. God knows how the live pros build a million $ from scratch playing only 1 table at once. |
I've not heard of this, I was aware they all multitabled... |
Live pros multi table? did u mis read what I wrote?
A bit more late night grinding has taken me to 66.22$ this is like pulling teeth!! |
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gandalf55 Wizard

Joined: 28 Jun 2006 Posts: 2552 Location: London
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Grumbledook wrote: | I built mine up from 4 tabling limit hold'em with rakeback on a party skin
I can't stand limit hold'em now though |
Snap (well almost). I played limit on lots of crypto skins to get either the hourly rate or in the case of Sun and Interpoker the monthly bonus. Haven't played limit for years apart from a MTT on Party I registered for by mistake and came 3rd in  _________________ I'narr en gothrim glinuva nuin I'anor
Gurth gothrim Tel'Quessir |
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Hullcity Flush

Joined: 26 Jan 2011 Posts: 689 Location: East Yorkshire
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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grinding a bankroll from a tiny deposit is an art form! u need the dicipline of a tibetan monk. You have to deal with so many suckouts its unreal. I mean I had a hand when i 4 bet KK with 100bb stack and he calls to set mine with 88 and stacks me! and then in another 3 bet pot when I had KK somebody calls on the flop with the board reading jq2 with 33 and hit the 3 on the next card. Its the big pots that u have to wait for it seems, like when I flopped a set and 2 donks had top pair and refused to fold giving me their stacks. Of course you have to expect this in NL2 lol
I am curious if anybody here has grinded up a bankroll from a tiny deposit on a site and slowly moved up limits. Back in 2007 on my pacific poker account i went on and had like 50c left from before and i sat at a cash table and spun it up to 10$ and ended up playing 1$ s+gs and then moved on to the 5.50$ ones and then 10+1$ and then 20+2$ and some 30+3$ ones but there wasnt much player volume, i ended up cashing out $880 ish after like 4 months from when i found the 50c there. Back then I didnt know anything about rakeback, I am sure i would have made a lot more if I had that because pacific poker was super soft! but they didnt offer much incentives to the regs
It seems that people on this forum arnt that much into bankroll management they just deposit as and when. When I went on full tilt early in 2010 i just wacked on the full 600$ to get the signup bonus, |
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identifier Straight
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 480 Location: b2b
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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I turned 100 euros into 14k once. Took me about six months, but that was a long time ago.
Now all the discipline has gone (not to mention skill and time) it's impossible. |
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Hullcity Flush

Joined: 26 Jan 2011 Posts: 689 Location: East Yorkshire
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| identifier wrote: | I turned 100 euros into 14k once. Took me about six months, but that was a long time ago.
Now all the discipline has gone (not to mention skill and time) it's impossible. |
What was u grinding?
My roll is sitting at 75.94$ and Im still grinding NL2 and apparently after 29,805 hands I am winning at a rate of 8.39/100, is that a bit low, should I be like over 10/100 at that stake?
I think the dicipline is crucial in grinding because tilt undermines your efforts so whilst I am grinding NL2 I am trying to keep my play mechanical.
I have got my pre flop value hands in tiers to re raise - tier 1 vs nits is AA/KK tier 2 is AA/KK/QQ/AK vs standard players and tier 3 is AA/KK/QQ/JJ/AK/AQ which i am willing to stack off with vs maniac and also am willing to re raise for value and fold vs calling station type opponents. So I cant go on tilt and stack off with 99 for example. Then i have got a range of bluffing hands which i will re raise depending on the opponents fold 3 bet % and position. I work it out as a ratio so if i am re raising AA/KK/QQ/AK (2.6% of hands) for value i need to re raise at least 2.6% of hands as a bluff to be balanced at a 1-1 ratio although if I am on the button and the weak tight player raises from the cut off I may be at like a 4-1 ratio of bluffs to value bets.
I used to go on tilt preflop sometimes if I felt people was bullying to much and I was feeling victimized, however now I just switch into tier 3 vs that opponent and lower my bluffing frequency which deflates my tilt feelings
I see i am halfway to having enough points for the 25$ bonus but I am only bronze still, i need to be silver to buy that which I am sure i will be when i get those points. I think I will move up to NL5 when I get to 110$ in my account, i am 25% through clearing the next 10$ stellar award so I should be there soon enough. |
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