2 hands from sunday storm

[tommymac]

1st one is an easy fold right? I didnt raise pre because I was unsure on the UTG limper and was happy to see a flop this early on. I think I could bet the flop, folds out everything except K's flush draws and floats.



villain was super aggro raising every hand during this level and was playing 40/30/10 , even if he hit his K i thought id have the 11 outs (9 hearts and 2 Q's), don't know if im ever folding this spot vs this villain!



thoughts?
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[thegrimble]

first hand, u need to bet flop and the way it has played call the river - ur only losing to a flush, full house or trips.

second hand is fine, u didnt do anything wrong

[tommymac]

[vern]

I would have definitely raised preflop, if only to keep the small and big blinds from limping with anything mediocre and to get an idea of where I am in the hand against Phil18Blue.

If not, you're basically hoping to hit well with A10, and given that you hit trips, then not having bet the flop or preflop, you're basically playing against the possibility of 1 of the 3 players having hit a flush (with any 2 diamonds - he could have limped with as poor a hand as 2,5).

Which I think is 6.4% - so multiply that by 3 (3 players in the pot) to give 19.2% of any of them having hit the flush [anyone disagree with that? That might be wrong...] versus the 44% pot odds that you're getting by calling 240 into 540, plus taking into account that you're fairly healthy chips wise on the table, then I would definitely be calling. I'd say it's much more likely that he's got a rag King or possibly 10x (although he'd probably have raised if he did have a 10 with a higher card), either of which you would be beating. Also, if I was playing that and had just hit the flush holding 2 lowish diamonds, I'd be betting a much smaller value bet in hoping to get called, and being cautious about you having a flush.

[Poker Jon]

[Revi]

1st hand: No idea why you limped pre, and checked flop. The reason for raising pre is not just to build a pot but also to gain information >> put opponent on a range. The difference from limping range to calling a raise pre 'range' is pretty huge. You're totally in the dark when it comes to putting villains on a hand with your action. Also, why did you check the flop when you were in position? You missed value, gave free cards to a multiway pot, then B/F the river. I don't mean to sound like a ***** but playing weak-tight, you might aswell have not played the hand at all.

Also agree with the above comments. As played the river is never a fold.

2nd hand: played it fine.

[Pilf]

Not much needs adding to these replys imo, especially the 1st.
The fold on the river in the 1st hand is pretty bad I think that most will agree with that. But you have put yourself in this position by not raising pre and not betting the flop.

2nd hand, I'm probably checking that flop personally as betting out doesn't achieve an awful lot imo. All none king hands and hands with no hearts are 100% folding to that bet. It's a prime spot to let them try take the pot away and altho a check might look suspicious, it's unlikely to be picked up in a huge turbo donkement like this. I probably weak lead the turn if it's checked back. But there is nothing wrong with the way you played it.
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[tommymac]