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evelyn
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 Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:46 am
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| Seb wrote: | | It's almost always appropriate to use racial abuse when fighting black people |
If you're racist and don't mind breaking the law. |
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evelyn
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:53 am
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| Seb wrote: | | Lately I've been using Jew a lot as an insult |
It's very odd that you boast about being racist. You've lost any respect I may have had for you. |
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Seb
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:52 am
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| evelyn wrote: | | Seb wrote: | | Lately I've been using Jew a lot as an insult |
It's very odd that you boast about being racist. You've lost any respect I may have had for you. |
Where do you see boasting? I speak plainly in facts. It saddens me that I've lost your respect. :( |
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whammer
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:46 pm
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| sundance wrote: | | whammer wrote: | £150k a week some of these lads putting more effort in on twitter than anywhere else at times
funny old game |
Unreal isn't it? I have followed Josh Mceachran from a young age and was highly thought of by the club, Ancelotti was a big fan, and he in fact played a part in EVERY CL group stage game a couple of years back
Last year we sent him on loan to Swansea and Brendan Rodgers said he was out of shape, am not surprised, the lad spends his life on Twitter 
What has shocked me is Rio really finding someone calling Cole a "choc ice" that funny, really?
Someone should have tweeted he was a "coconut", Rio might have pi**ed himself |
indeed mate
always used to have a lot of time for rio (ex-hammer) but he has an immense naivety to this and several other issues
if you want to play the victim card or assist a 'victim' you really have to be whiter than white DOH, as every aspect of your input will be scrutinised
rio cannot now play the 'it was only in jest' card as terry could have done the same
a lot of these footballers cannot boil and egg and that's a fact, agents and hangers on do everything as long as they get paid
tales of £100k motors being left for months as it was too much hassle to change or get someone to change a wheel are not rare unfortunately
they need a dose of reality in recession britain 2012
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evelyn
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:15 pm
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| Seb wrote: | | evelyn wrote: | | Seb wrote: | | Lately I've been using Jew a lot as an insult |
It's very odd that you boast about being racist. You've lost any respect I may have had for you. |
Where do you see boasting? I speak plainly in facts. It saddens me that I've lost your respect.  |
And you are plainly racist. I'd like to see you banned (again ?). |
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evelyn
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:02 pm
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| whammer wrote: | if you want to play the victim card or assist a 'victim' you really have to be whiter than white DOH, as every aspect of your input will be scrutinised
rio cannot now play the 'it was only in jest' card as terry could have done the same
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Why do victims need to be whiter than white ? They are going to be the same as everyone else. "Choc ice" is not racist but it can be insulting. It's a description of a black person who has a white rather than a black outlook. |
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Brodders
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:06 pm
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| evelyn wrote: | | whammer wrote: | if you want to play the victim card or assist a 'victim' you really have to be whiter than white DOH, as every aspect of your input will be scrutinised
rio cannot now play the 'it was only in jest' card as terry could have done the same
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Why do victims need to be whiter than white ? They are going to be the same as everyone else. "Choc ice" is not racist but it can be insulting. It's a description of a black person who has a white rather than a black outlook. |
I'd have to disagree with this. Choc Ice is used in the same degoratory context as coconut by black people to signify taking the side of the "whites" against black people. It has the same racist connotations as calling someone a black c**t because it is being used as an insult. |
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evelyn
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:39 pm
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| Brodders wrote: | | I'd have to disagree with this. Choc Ice is used in the same degoratory context as coconut by black people to signify taking the side of the "whites" against black people. |
Ashley Cole did take the racist side of the argument. He defended Terry who admitted he used the racist language himself. Your term "same derogatory context" is vague and appears erroneous in the way you have used it. What exactly in plain words do you mean by this term ?
| Brodders wrote: | | I'd have to disagree with this. Choc Ice is used in the same degoratory context as coconut by black people to signify taking the side of the "whites" against black people. It has the same racist connotations as calling someone a black c**t because it is being used as an insult. |
Again you use this term "same derogatory context". Please explain it because it doesn't make any sense or appear to have an efficacy at all. The context of racism against blacks one of slavery and latterly in football one of discrimination and abuse from fans and players etc. It is not racist just to insult someone else ! The "connotations" of the word choc ice are not racist it's just a description of someone who seems to have turned native as they used to say. |
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sundance
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:40 pm
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| evelyn wrote: | | whammer wrote: | if you want to play the victim card or assist a 'victim' you really have to be whiter than white DOH, as every aspect of your input will be scrutinised
rio cannot now play the 'it was only in jest' card as terry could have done the same
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Why do victims need to be whiter than white ? They are going to be the same as everyone else. "Choc ice" is not racist but it can be insulting. It's a description of a black person who has a white rather than a black outlook. |
You don't think "choc-ice" is racist?
And you want someone else banned for racism? |
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evelyn
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:52 pm
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| sundance wrote: | You don't think "choc-ice" is racist?
And you want someone else banned for racism? |
The two things have nothing to do with each other. "Choc ice" means a black person who has adopted a white outlook and views over those of his black heritage. How on earth is that racist ? Please explain this. |
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Brodders
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:18 pm
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| evelyn wrote: | | Brodders wrote: | | I'd have to disagree with this. Choc Ice is used in the same degoratory context as coconut by black people to signify taking the side of the "whites" against black people. |
Ashley Cole did take the racist side of the argument. He defended Terry who admitted he used the racist language himself. Your term "same derogatory context" is vague and appears erroneous in the way you have used it. What exactly in plain words do you mean by this term ?
| Brodders wrote: | | I'd have to disagree with this. Choc Ice is used in the same degoratory context as coconut by black people to signify taking the side of the "whites" against black people. It has the same racist connotations as calling someone a black c**t because it is being used as an insult. |
Again you use this term "same derogatory context". Please explain it because it doesn't make any sense or appear to have an efficacy at all. The context of racism against blacks one of slavery and latterly in football one of discrimination and abuse from fans and players etc. It is not racist just to insult someone else ! The "connotations" of the word choc ice are not racist it's just a description of someone who seems to have turned native as they used to say. |
I'm not sure how plainer I can make the words. Coconut is a well known derogatory term used by black people against other black people to insinuate that they are white on the inside. Choc Ice is very clearly being used in exactly the same context as this.
I am saying that it is racist for a black person to say someone is white inside if they mean that to be an insult.
For me (and I believe the law but am happy to be corrected) if an insult is based on the colour of a persons skin that insult is deemed to be racist.
Is that plain enough ? |
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evelyn
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:26 pm
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| Brodders wrote: | | I'm not sure how plainer I can make the words. Coconut is a well known derogatory term used by black people against other black people to insinuate that they are white on the inside. Choc Ice is very clearly being used in exactly the same context as this. |
Derogatory does not mran racist. If I call someone an idiot that's derogatory but it isn't racist.
| Brodders wrote: | I am saying that it is racist for a black person to say someone is white inside if they mean that to be an insult.
For me (and I believe the law but am happy to be corrected) if an insult is based on the colour of a persons skin that insult is deemed to be racist. |
You're wrong. It is not racist for a black person to call another a "n****r" etc. I'm sure you've seen that yourself on the telly/youtube etc. For a black person to ridicule another for acting white is definitely not racist. |
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Brodders
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:33 pm
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| evelyn wrote: | | Brodders wrote: | | I'm not sure how plainer I can make the words. Coconut is a well known derogatory term used by black people against other black people to insinuate that they are white on the inside. Choc Ice is very clearly being used in exactly the same context as this. |
Derogatory does not mran racist. If I call someone an idiot that's derogatory but it isn't racist.
| Brodders wrote: | I am saying that it is racist for a black person to say someone is white inside if they mean that to be an insult.
For me (and I believe the law but am happy to be corrected) if an insult is based on the colour of a persons skin that insult is deemed to be racist. |
You're wrong. It is not racist for a black person to call another a "n****r" etc. I'm sure you've seen that yourself on the telly/youtube etc. For a black person to ridicule another for acting white is definitely not racist. |
You feel that a black person insulting another black person for acting "white" is not derogatory or insulting and therefore not racist. I believe differently.
I guess that's the great thing about opinion - you have yours and I have mine. What I hate more than anything is being told I am "wrong" when all you are doing is giving your opinion, which in my eyes happens to be a crock.
Please don't bother replying to this as I will not respond. I've made the mistake of engaging in a pointless conversation with one of the biggest trolls on this forum. |
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darrensprengers
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:33 pm
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i think most people reserve the right to use there own racial slurs against people of their own race.
the fact remains that if a court can find a white guy calling a black guy "a black c**t" not racist it's pretty obvious a black guy calling another black guy a choc-ice is not going to be deemed a racial slur in our court structure. I can't see anybody getting arrested for using wigga and i think that may be more of an insult.
if rio has a beef with cashley he should sort it out face to face not hide behind his twitter account.
John terry got pretty much what he deserved. had to spend a few quid and will get a few match ban. maybe the fa could just ban rio for a few games.
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sundance
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:38 pm
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| evelyn wrote: | | sundance wrote: | You don't think "choc-ice" is racist?
And you want someone else banned for racism? |
The two things have nothing to do with each other. "Choc ice" means a black person who has adopted a white outlook and views over those of his black heritage. How on earth is that racist ? Please explain this. |
Do you think there is ANY way that a black person could be racist towards another black person?
Do you think that a black person could be racist towards a white person?
Do you think a person of mixed heritage could be racist towards a black person? A white person? What about vice versa? |
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