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AndyH1964
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 Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:50 am
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The part that worries me about calling is is the line [ Then another short stack who hasn't played a hand in ages moves All-In too from the Big Blind.]
What cards does he have that's worth risking his tournie life with 22 times BB....
We are dominated by just 4 hands: AA, KK, QQ and AK.....and I think there is a decent chance that we will be up against one of these
Calling 2 allins with AQ is not something I'd want to be doing unless there is a compelling argument. Hence my '75% of the time I'm folding'.
I've been knocked out of more tournaments with AQ in my hand than any other hand! |
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Seb
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:55 am
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| Don't mind if the big blind has KK so long as other guy doesn't have an ace. |
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AndyH1964
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:07 am
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| Seb wrote: | | Don't mind if the big blind has KK so long as other guy doesn't have an ace. |
If BB has KK and button has two cards that are not with an Ace (e.g a pocket pair) we are still a 4/1 underdog (checkout the Poker calculator)....there has got to be a compelling argument to call here (e.g. both players are as loose as my arse after a late night curry)
Getting 5/2 on a 4/1 shot....it's like a night out at the greyhounds! |
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Seb
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:10 am
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| 3/1. And that's if he has KK. And we get to knock out two players and have a dominant stack. |
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AndyH1964
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:18 am
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mmm..you're right..25% is 3/1....doh
I just don't like AQ v 2 allins......
What would be worse calling and BB shows AA and button shows QQ..... or folding and BB shows AJ and button shows J10? |
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darrensprengers
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:44 am
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how many bigs is the other small stack. if 15 bigs is 40% of your stack i.e you have 37 bigs. the pot,if you call, will be 22+22+short stack. as you said short stack i will assume c12 bigs
So you have raise standard, so 2.5x. you are calling 19 bigs to win total bbs of c56. you wil have c75 bigs total if you win. other scenarios include the small stack winning and you beating the the bigger stack for pretty much neutral equity.
how much are the chips worth? whats the prize pool? how many left?
There is a reason its called walking back to houston.
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oneshotbob
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:17 am
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| WBPP wrote: | Fold, then when they turn over JJ and KK start doing the running man by your seat.
When the flop comes down QQA, be physically sick (In the toilets of course) then when the turn comes K and river comes K Moonwalk to your next table telling anybody who will listen that you knew you were behind. |
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oneshotbob
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:24 am
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I would stare into the soul of each player, pulling their memories from their enfeebled minds. I would go throught their lives, piecing together all the things which have combined to bring them to that point in time, understanding the men they have become. I would celebrate their triumphs, weep at their losses, feel their pain and share their joys. I would study each blemish and scar on their faces, examine each piece of rough skin on their hands to uncover their gameplan. I would know them better than they know themselves, and therefore I would be able to know, without doubt what each of them had, and I would call.
And then obviously the guy with A8 off would hit two eights on the flop
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moosey
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:26 am
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Surely the only reason its called walking back to houston is if you mix up your poker hand nicknames  |
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darrensprengers
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:56 am
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| moosey wrote: | | Surely the only reason its called walking back to houston is if you mix up your poker hand nicknames |
a lot of ace high hands get me walking to houston. lol
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stowjon
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:15 am
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| darrensprengers wrote: | | moosey wrote: | | Surely the only reason its called walking back to houston is if you mix up your poker hand nicknames |
a lot of ace high hands get me walking to houston. lol |
I claim this post is Balls!!!! ive never seen you dealt an Ace in my life!
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evelyn
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:44 pm
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| darrensprengers wrote: | | moosey wrote: | | Surely the only reason its called walking back to houston is if you mix up your poker hand nicknames |
a lot of ace high hands get me walking to houston. lol |
It's called walking back to Euston if you live in Hendon.
This is an easy call with AQ against two competent short stacks. They should both be shoving quite wide. |
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darrensprengers
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:09 pm
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| evelyn wrote: | | darrensprengers wrote: | | moosey wrote: | | Surely the only reason its called walking back to houston is if you mix up your poker hand nicknames |
a lot of ace high hands get me walking to houston. lol |
It's called walking back to Euston if you live in Hendon.
This is an easy call with AQ against two competent short stacks. They should both be shoving quite wide. |
8 handed vs an early position raise and re-raise?
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evelyn
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:36 pm
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| darrensprengers wrote: | | evelyn wrote: | | darrensprengers wrote: | | moosey wrote: | | Surely the only reason its called walking back to houston is if you mix up your poker hand nicknames |
a lot of ace high hands get me walking to houston. lol |
It's called walking back to Euston if you live in Hendon.
This is an easy call with AQ against two competent short stacks. They should both be shoving quite wide. |
8 handed vs an early position raise and re-raise? |
The button can shove wide against an active raiser and the bb can shove for value. The original raiser is getting great value to equalise and should be ahead of one and flipping against the other or ahead of both. It's going to be quite rare for him to come up against AK/QQ+ versus short stacks. I think an equity calculator would show this as a pretty clear call. I don't know how these games play out live. Is everyone an uber nit ? |
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darrensprengers
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:01 pm
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i am not saying it is a fold. i am curious at to what raises you are putting the "good player" button shove and the "solid" bb player on. The latest position you can be in cutoff. The bb is not a short stake he has 22 big blinds. Though he does have a perfect size reshove stack. as he is vs a shorter stack i would think this put his range as pretty good actually. It does not matter how many times he has QQ+etc if you got the range right or at least approximate.
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