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StGilmore
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 Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:16 pm
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So this is a £.10/.20 cash game...
I'm 7hQc9hAc... I thought I played this well as in if I err, then I want it to be more on the aggressive side than the passive side. I'm focusing on being aggressive with nut draws (obv). For what it's worth, I put opponent on two pair or a set.
My motivation for posting this is that my opponent was a player I respect a lot and his chat message after this hand was only: bad Whereas his chat messages to other winning players has been: nh
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timped
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:49 pm
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As my old ma used to say I should look before i speak.
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PokerSensation
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:56 pm
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I don't really like the way you played it.
I would have probably bet the pot pre but that is irrelevant.
The raise on the flop is ok but i would have called. You only have a flush draw and nothing else (not up and down etc). You are building a big pot without a real hand yet. I think the main point for me not doing this is that it is a really small pot - if it were a big pot that is a different story.
So you are most likely to brick on the turn which you did. You also have a gutshot now but you know to be good you must probably have to hit a club that doesn't pair the board or a ten. You are a dog here. You were lucky to hit after jamming your stack in when you are obviously getting looked up.
Now if it were a big pot to begin with then its fine but it wasn't.
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PokerSensation
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:57 pm
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| timped wrote: | | If he raises on turn maybe he gets rid of you, but as he check calls, he has no leg to stand on, the only time he bets is on river when you have the nuts, played well as far as I am concerned. |
Doesn't the above show the action on the turn?? |
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timped
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:03 pm
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| PokerSensation wrote: | | timped wrote: | | If he raises on turn maybe he gets rid of you, but as he check calls, he has no leg to stand on, the only time he bets is on river when you have the nuts, played well as far as I am concerned. |
Doesn't the above show the action on the turn?? |
The action on the turn was check by kk34 then raise by an other then re raise by op.
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Jackdaw
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:04 pm
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| timped wrote: | | I was at the table and saw the comment, which I felt was slightly odd but said out of frustration rather than as a comment on your play. If he raises on turn maybe he gets rid of you, but as he check calls, he has no leg to stand on, the only time he bets is on river when you have the nuts, played well as far as I am concerned. |
Is that right? Looks like he leads out on the turn and I'm assuming that after Gilmore's raise one player was all in and Gilmore rivers him. If that's right you're raising on the turn with 10 outs. You don't have the correct odds.
FWIW I raise pre.
I hate this format of hand history, really confusing. |
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PokerSensation
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:06 pm
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| timped wrote: | | PokerSensation wrote: | | timped wrote: | | If he raises on turn maybe he gets rid of you, but as he check calls, he has no leg to stand on, the only time he bets is on river when you have the nuts, played well as far as I am concerned. |
Doesn't the above show the action on the turn?? |
The action on the turn was check by kk34 then raise by an other then re raise by op. |
Then why does it show the guy make top set with KK - lead out for 4.30, get raised to 11.70 - call - then 6 of clubs on the river??? |
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timped
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:08 pm
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You have me doubting myself now but I think there is just a line missing but yes it changes it all if thats the case. Will see if I can find it on my hand history.
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PokerSensation
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:13 pm
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| timped wrote: | | You have me doubting myself now but I think there is just a line missing but yes it changes it all if thats the case. Will see if I can find it on my hand history. |
It must be the turn as nobody would possibly play so badly on the river. It also makes sense given the flop bets etc to get that size bet on the turn. |
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timped
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:25 pm
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| PokerSensation wrote: | | timped wrote: | | You have me doubting myself now but I think there is just a line missing but yes it changes it all if thats the case. Will see if I can find it on my hand history. |
It must be the turn as nobody would possibly play so badly on the river. It also makes sense given the flop bets etc to get that size bet on the turn. |
Just looked it up. Yep your right mis read hand when 1st saw it.
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timped
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:26 pm
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I shall STFU now.
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PokerSensation
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:46 pm
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| lol |
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StGilmore
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:56 pm
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Well Timped I actually mis-read my hand a bit (and the HH) it turns out - I thought I had another straight draw out - so I had only 12 nut outs.
PokerS I see what you mean about raising pre vs on the flop.
So but then on the turn- do you fold or just flat call? I actually thought by shoving I had fold equity which I can see now is another mistake- even though I definitely didn't think he had top set.
Definitley clearer on why he said 'bad' now. 
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Jackdaw
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:02 pm
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| 10 outs not 12. 7 clubs (two of them give him a better hand, FH or quad kings) and the 3 tens (you've already counted the 10 of clubs). |
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StGilmore
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