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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: Casino ethics on requesting people to tip dealers
sleepingtom wrote:
stowjon wrote:
Question to OP: why do you think tipping is a stupid thing to do?
personally i tip. if i pick up 10 BB's from a pot. i tend to tip 1BB the more BB's i pull from a single pot the more i tip. Saturday at the International i think i probably gave Lisa the dealer a total of £50 through the whole night. the biggest tip being £6.50 when i drew in a pot of over £250. I also leave a tip at the cash desk.
I think i only saw 3 people on my cash table tip all night Me, Paddy1969 and the pissed bloke from Pembo thread.
I do not think its RUDE to not tip i think its just a preference. But if your cashing in at the end of the night i think its polite to leave a little something.
The things i dont tip on:
Bad Service
any table game i.e roulette, blackjack
I think it's stupid because the rake is already ridiculously high, casinos make a shit load of money and they could just pay dealers more instead of me turning up everyday and eventually going busto cus im throwing my money at them for doing what they are already supposed to be doing. It's not like they are helping you or doing anything extra. Cool if i'm carrying ten bags of shopping across the road and someone wants to help me have some money but if you're sat throwing cards at me then nahh. That's just my opinion thoughi respect that. Also, people say but dealers rely on tips for their wages, well tough shit that's not my problem you didn't have to get a job as a dealer true dat.
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Joined: 08 Oct 2009 Posts: 1880 Location: Nottingham
Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: Casino ethics on requesting people to tip dealers
I'm definitely against begin instructed to tip because, for me, tipping is a two-way transaction - dealer has incredibly low wages subsidised, and player not only makes profit [nobody tips when they lose a pot] but feels good.
If I felt that a game was disrupted because of a dealer, I wouldn't tip [unless I knew/thought it was a rookie dealer], and if the dealer was surly etc at the table I also wouldn't tip - I've not played a huge amount of live cash, but tbf. to the general standard of dealers, I've never experienced either of these situations yet!
IMHO not tipping a dealer because of the principle that a casino should pay an acceptable amount in the first place feels wrong, and is in no way likely to promote better pay for dealers; but, honestly, I don't really understand the mechanics of tipping - some of my friends tip their hairdresser, but I don't; whereas I often tip my taxi driver.
Looking particularly at tipping dealers, I don't have any real understanding of the mechanics of it, but tend to look at it like a 'second rake' - I wouldn't tip for an uncontested hand pre-flop, and post-flop I'd usually flip a chip towards the dealer that felt appropriate, definitely more for bigger pots but probably a bit random depending on the denomination and quantity of chips in the pot.
I'm quite happy for the floor to advise players they are 'free' to tip the dealers if they feel they have received a good service, but instructing players to tip completely devalues the gesture. _________________ PS: Ulysses1975
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: Casino ethics on requesting people to tip dealers
do you think you could think up your own posts instead of doing "funny" colorization of other peoples. Also, well done on finding the bold button. but............
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Joined: 26 Oct 2008 Posts: 7224 Location: willingham
Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: Casino ethics on requesting people to tip dealers
talking of thinking up your own posts, has this clip not been used a dozen times b4?
and well done for finding the youtube button _________________ "There's not enough hippies to save our lives, We need more hippies"
Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Casino ethics on requesting people to tip dealers
i always tip and would never sit down in a game with such an unbeatable rake but i think the TD asking you to tip is nothing short of scandalous. _________________ The next best thing to gambling and winning is gambling and losing.
Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 1853 Location: Hastings
Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: Casino ethics on requesting people to tip dealers
peterH wrote:
Jon MW wrote:
X wrote:
... - dealer has incredibly low wages subsidised, ...
What makes you think dealers have incredibly low wages?
Certainly was in my day. Maybe it's changed, but it was always one of the notoriously low paid jobs.
Looked it up when this came up before - it's around the same level as bank clerks (and a similar skillset imo)
Everybody wants to earn more, and lots of companies start people on a low wage before increasing it when they prove themselves - but it's pretty much an appropriate wage for the work they're doing (at the casino chain's I found vacancies for).
I'm pretty sure most people think dealers get paid hardly anything - because that's what the dealers tell them _________________ Jon "the British cowboy" Woodfield
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: Casino ethics on requesting people to tip dealers
Jon MW wrote:
Looked it up when this came up before - it's around the same level as bank clerks (and a similar skillset imo)
Well obviously it all depends on your outlook, but at the time I left I was running the pit, so on my shifts I would be in charge of 30-40 staff, and a drop of between £25-40,000. For that, the highest wage I ever got (without overtime) was £135, at the time the average weekly wage was £180. New dealers started on £55 a week (late 80's).
I certainly didn't think the rewards matched the responsibilities. _________________ Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici
Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 1853 Location: Hastings
Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: Casino ethics on requesting people to tip dealers
peterH wrote:
Jon MW wrote:
Looked it up when this came up before - it's around the same level as bank clerks (and a similar skillset imo)
Well obviously it all depends on your outlook, but at the time I left I was running the pit, so on my shifts I would be in charge of 30-40 staff, and a drop of between £25-40,000. For that, the highest wage I ever got (without overtime) was £135, at the time the average weekly wage was £180. New dealers started on £55 a week (late 80's).
I certainly didn't think the rewards matched the responsibilities.
Way before anytime I've looked at it
To be honest - any discussion of pay before the National Minimum Wage came in is always going to be out of date, because even if they weren't paid below the equivalent of that then it will have distorted the market when it did come in. _________________ Jon "the British cowboy" Woodfield
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5 Star HORSE Classics - 2007 Razz Champion
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Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 1853 Location: Hastings
Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: Casino ethics on requesting people to tip dealers
I tip people who provide exceptional service.
A few restaurants I've been to have had waiting staff who left - just the right amount of time for me to decide what to order, and asked about refills/new drinks at just the time I wanted one, and left just enough time after dessert for the food to digest a bit but not enough time for me to get bored of waiting - they get a tip.
If somebody just does their job - which is what almost everybody does - that doesn't warrant a tip imo. _________________ Jon "the British cowboy" Woodfield
2010/11 UK Team Championships: Black Belt Poker Team Captain
5 Star HORSE Classics - 2007 Razz Champion
2007 WSOP Razz - 13/341
Joined: 08 Oct 2009 Posts: 1880 Location: Nottingham
Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: Casino ethics on requesting people to tip dealers
X wrote:
Jon MW wrote:
X wrote:
... - dealer has incredibly low wages subsidised, ...
What makes you think dealers have incredibly low wages?
Would you satisfy my curiosity please, and tell me what your think about tipping dealers?
Jon MW wrote:
If somebody just does their job - which is what almost everybody does - that doesn't warrant a tip imo.
Thank you... I had assumed that would be your position, from the text you chose to quote and query, but wanted to double check. _________________ PS: Ulysses1975
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