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darrensprengers
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 Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:50 pm
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| Seb wrote: | | I love how fans of London clubs are all snidey with each other but I think they should embrace competing relgious sects and take it to the next level. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it only Millwall and West Ham who actually fight each other? Everyone else rocking the passive aggression. That's not healthy, chaps. |
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sundance
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 4:09 pm
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| The Dean wrote: | | Nem wrote: | Saturday was the worst footballing day of my life. Yes I'm ok, and there is no need for me to post in sundance's threads as every dog has his day.
Well done Chelsea, you ran as good as someone who wins the WSOP ME and your war criminal chairman spent £1bn during the past 9 years, so money well spent.
Sad that both Chel$ea and $hiteh have bought their trophies, but c'est la vie. |
Every football team "buys" the trophies to a certain extent Nemesis. The cost of any trophy these days is increasing season by season and the Premier title simply isn't possible these days without considerable financial input. In 1995 we were all talking about Blackburn Rovers and how they "bought the league" with "Jack Walker's" millions.......the game has simply moved on regarding how much money it takes to win the league.
You cannot knock a club for spending more money than your club if they have that money to spend. If Tottenham could fit that kind of spending into their business model then they would do the same......no doubt about it. Chelsea were also "buying titles" six and seven years ago and the bar was being raised by Ambramovich in terms of total expenditure. The question is not that clubs "buy the league" but if they are spending too much to do so and so the real issue is value.
Don't you think that lesser clubs look at Tottenham and think that they have "bought" their way into the top four???? Its the same thing on a larger scale. You look at the football rich list and then compare that to the Champions League winners and finalists since 2005 and the lists are almost identicle. Success in football is being bought but it always has been ever since Nottm Forest stunned the world by paying £1 million for Trevor Francis that took them to the European Cup in 1979 and the salaries at Liverpool were higher than at any other club in the era 1977-1990. |
This has been explained to Nem on so many different occasions, not sure how many different ways it can be explained to him in terms he understands
Lets keep it basic for him...
Nem - WHY DO YOU THINK SPURS HAVE ENJOYED THE EXCITEMENT OF TWO LEAGUE CUP WINS IN 20 YEARS AND MY LOCAL PUB SIDE HAVEN'T? |
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darrensprengers
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:08 pm
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trevor francis = the 70s torres
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Alex B
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:53 pm
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I'd like it if we had a football system that gave us any chance of a strong national team.
On the other hand, I'm glad that the premiership generates the economics that requires its teams to buy championships through buying the worlds best players.
I'd have no interest in a league whose top teams comprised 22 characters from "Two Pints of Lager and a Packet of Crisps' booting a ball back and forward and chasing after it.
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The Dean
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:59 am
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| Alex B wrote: |
I'd have no interest in a league whose top teams comprised 22 characters from "Two Pints of Lager and a Packet of Crisps' booting a ball back and forward and chasing after it. |
Neither would I and millions of others and that is a factor when people say that teams shouldn't "buy" titles. The product that is the Premier League is superior to any other league in the world by a country mile. You can argue about the technical superiority on the pitch of La Liga but which would you rather have......a somewhat stale league if you remove Barcelona and Real Madrid with slightly better technical quality or the much more cut and thrust of the Premier?
I was having a discussion the other day in the pub with someone on which European Cup finals over the past 20 years had been the most dramatic......forget the quality but the best finals in terms of drama and entertainment. Keep in mind that I have seen every final since 1977 with an almost rain man memory for what happened in each and the top four in my memory all involved English clubs. They were Uniteds win in 1999, Liverpools in 2005, Uniteds in 2008 and Chelsea's in 2012.
One of the reasons why our clubs have so much money at the very top is because of how marketable the product is to the rest of the world. And we are not far behind in technical quality either compared to La Liga when you consider that only one year since 2004 onwards have we not had one club in the Champions League final. The Premier League is envied throughout Europeeven by the other major leagues.
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darrensprengers
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 10:28 am
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the english ones are the most exciting because we have been, without exception, the underdogs in the final. it tough but i feel sorry for bayern munich. they have been in 9 finals and won 4 and i cannot remember them ever being the worst team in the final.
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The Dean
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 11:26 am
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| darrensprengers wrote: | | the english ones are the most exciting because we have been, without exception, the underdogs in the final. it tough but i feel sorry for bayern munich. they have been in 9 finals and won 4 and i cannot remember them ever being the worst team in the final. |
Can't just be an underdog thing......there is a favourite and an underdog in all finals and many of them were dry as dust. I don't think that it has anything to do with bias either because they are English clubs because some of the earlier European Cup finals in the 1970's and 80's involving English clubs were not great even when we won them.
Agree to a certain extent about Bayern but you make your own luck essentially.......they got very lucky versus Leeds Utd in 75 and playing the 2012 final inside their own stadium.....can't get luckier than that. But they lost two finals in 1999 and 2012 that they should have won and only themselves to blame. They had the chances to finish United in 1999 and didn't take them. I recall them blowing another final in 1987 against Porto under similar circumstances and so they have tossed three finals in my book and only themselves to blame. ......certainly don't feel sorry for Germans losing 
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