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baltic_blonde
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 Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:58 pm
Post subject: Tricky spot with KK |
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Tournament: $109 freezout online
Runners: 1600, down to 700
Level: 150/300
Seat 1: alexfaye (20030 in chips)
Seat 2: sERvERfRoG (13966 in chips)
Seat 3: LeoXIX (30417 in chips)
Seat 4: littledog026 (7798 in chips)
Seat 5: AAmarkiñosKK (11247 in chips)
Seat 6: balticblonde (17726 in chips)
Seat 7: Chernika87 (5527 in chips)
Seat 8: replacer (18942 in chips)
Seat 9: mak1903 (13439 in chips)
Seat #7 is the button
Action:
sERvERfRoG: raises 300 to 600 (vpiv -14%, PFR - 9%, 3bet - 4% based on 60 hands)
littledog026: raises 600 to 1200
balticblonde: raises 1400 to 2600
sERvERfRoG: raises 3143 to 5743
littledog026: folds
Action is back on me and I have KK, any thoughts?
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Bogus
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:44 pm
Post subject: Re: Tricky spot with KK |
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I shove 80% of the time.
But 20% I flat and evaluate on the flop with a mind to getting it in pre-turn unless K comes then try and get him to get it in.
Never folding with 700 left.
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smoothcallz
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:48 pm
Post subject: Re: Tricky spot with KK |
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Tricky. Definately, i'd hate seeing that 5-bet as too me it just screams aces.
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stowjon
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:31 pm
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6bet shove and fist pump when he calls and shows QQ then cry when river comes Queen!
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Pizzicato
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:38 pm
Post subject: Re: Tricky spot with KK |
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Firstly... Lol @ littledog026
Secondly... /puke
Thirdly... Sigh and shove
A quick look on OPR shows this guy as a winning reg (+$100k between Stars and Tilt) so its actually possible he would do this with a wider range than AA only so we can include enough other hands to make the KK a shove...
Its a very sigh spot though overall... Having 3K behind helps slightly as well as thats enough chips to be able to mount a comeback if it does go wrong...
I think if you have been playing very tight yourself its possibly foldable as we can assume that he is likely to have some kind of HUD running but if you have been playing more than say 7% or more of your hands I think we have to get it in... |
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baltic_blonde
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:49 pm
Post subject: Re: Tricky spot with KK |
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| Pizzicato wrote: | Firstly... Lol @ littledog026
Secondly... /puke
Thirdly... Sigh and shove
A quick look on OPR shows this guy as a winning reg (+$100k between Stars and Tilt) so its actually possible he would do this with a wider range than AA only so we can include enough other hands to make the KK a shove...
Its a very sigh spot though overall... Having 3K behind helps slightly as well as thats enough chips to be able to mount a comeback if it does go wrong...
I think if you have been playing very tight yourself its possibly foldable as we can assume that he is likely to have some kind of HUD running but if you have been playing more than say 7% or more of your hands I think we have to get it in... |
My stats at that point in time were - (vpiv -17%, PFR - 12%, 3bet - 5.4% )
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baltic_blonde
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:52 pm
Post subject: Re: Tricky spot with KK |
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| baltic_blonde wrote: | | Pizzicato wrote: | Firstly... Lol @ littledog026
Secondly... /puke
Thirdly... Sigh and shove
A quick look on OPR shows this guy as a winning reg (+$100k between Stars and Tilt) so its actually possible he would do this with a wider range than AA only so we can include enough other hands to make the KK a shove...
Its a very sigh spot though overall... Having 3K behind helps slightly as well as thats enough chips to be able to mount a comeback if it does go wrong...
I think if you have been playing very tight yourself its possibly foldable as we can assume that he is likely to have some kind of HUD running but if you have been playing more than say 7% or more of your hands I think we have to get it in... |
@littledow026 he tanked forever and ran out of time (timebank) before making a fold, I actually think he may have folded QQ or JJ there)
My stats at that point in time were - (vpiv -17%, PFR - 12%, 3bet - 5.4% ) |
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stowjon
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:59 pm
Post subject: Re: Tricky spot with KK |
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| baltic_blonde wrote: | | Pizzicato wrote: | Firstly... Lol @ littledog026
Secondly... /puke
Thirdly... Sigh and shove
A quick look on OPR shows this guy as a winning reg (+$100k between Stars and Tilt) so its actually possible he would do this with a wider range than AA only so we can include enough other hands to make the KK a shove...
Its a very sigh spot though overall... Having 3K behind helps slightly as well as thats enough chips to be able to mount a comeback if it does go wrong...
I think if you have been playing very tight yourself its possibly foldable as we can assume that he is likely to have some kind of HUD running but if you have been playing more than say 7% or more of your hands I think we have to get it in... |
My stats at that point in time were 34-24-34 |
FYP 
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Pizzicato
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:53 pm
Post subject: Re: Tricky spot with KK |
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| stowjon wrote: | | baltic_blonde wrote: | | Pizzicato wrote: | Firstly... Lol @ littledog026
Secondly... /puke
Thirdly... Sigh and shove
A quick look on OPR shows this guy as a winning reg (+$100k between Stars and Tilt) so its actually possible he would do this with a wider range than AA only so we can include enough other hands to make the KK a shove...
Its a very sigh spot though overall... Having 3K behind helps slightly as well as thats enough chips to be able to mount a comeback if it does go wrong...
I think if you have been playing very tight yourself its possibly foldable as we can assume that he is likely to have some kind of HUD running but if you have been playing more than say 7% or more of your hands I think we have to get it in... |
My stats at that point in time were 34-24-34 |
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baltic_blonde
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:10 pm
Post subject: Re: Tricky spot with KK |
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| stowjon wrote: | | baltic_blonde wrote: | | Pizzicato wrote: | Firstly... Lol @ littledog026
Secondly... /puke
Thirdly... Sigh and shove
A quick look on OPR shows this guy as a winning reg (+$100k between Stars and Tilt) so its actually possible he would do this with a wider range than AA only so we can include enough other hands to make the KK a shove...
Its a very sigh spot though overall... Having 3K behind helps slightly as well as thats enough chips to be able to mount a comeback if it does go wrong...
I think if you have been playing very tight yourself its possibly foldable as we can assume that he is likely to have some kind of HUD running but if you have been playing more than say 7% or more of your hands I think we have to get it in... |
My stats at that point in time were 34-24-34 |
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LOL!!!
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sleepingtom
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:22 am
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baltic_blonde
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:04 pm
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Thanks everyone for the comments. I ended up 6-bet shipping and got snapped by AA. Sigh!
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darrensprengers
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:00 am
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he has the sort of stats when compared to you that it could make a fold. It would be interesting to see what he does with the rest of his utg+1 raising range when long distance 4 bet. Does he muck jj,qq, ak even kk. maybe he flats. From 60 hands you will be none the wiser. He obviously has a premium hand i guess this is one of the 6 times he has AA. your kk takes quite a few AKs out. on the plus side i would imagine your 4 bet makes everybody fold a huge amount of time as it is obviously kk or AA. To fold there would mean a levelling war that would probably prove futile after 60 hands. Perhaps all you should worry about is if long term they are making the kk fold versus you when you have AA to gain an edge. i think this is very unlikely. Theoretically you could flat to maximise his range as he will c-bet 100% and flatting may include AK. this seems like fps suicide 60 hands deep.
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