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knifeboy62
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:14 pm
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I can't help thinking this is too loose a re-shove against a big stack because I tend to overestimate the amount of bluffs in their range and so the fold equity I have.

This is $5 NL tournament (348 entries). We're in the money, lying in 13/15 remaining.
Usual Genting structure so 7th payout worth about 3x 15th, real payouts in top 3-4 spots.

I know I can't call in below with less than 15BB but should I have folded and waited one or two more orbits for better spot, i.e. better hand or against stack less likely to call?

My assumption is that I will get a call from Ax, any two broadway and any pair; which means I have about 40% equity when called. I think even with 10% fold equity I have to push here because of dire position relative to the remainder of the field.

Any thoughts on that would be most welcome.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:40 pm
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Tricky one. Its definitely a shove fold situation, I would assume the sb raise knows his raise is effectively comitting himself to calling your all in as you're only folding or shoving and he's not raising to then fold.I would therefor assume, if he wants to steal he's shoving, rather than trying to induce the allin. The fact he's inducing means he's probably at the top of his range and K 10o isn't great against a top % range maybe he'll have Q 10 or J 10 in that range due to his stack size and you're ahead. or >99 and you're flipping.

Due to the fact that your not yet in immediate danger and theres 1 mid stack when you're on the button and a similar stack to yours when you're in the cut off, I'd have waited and put those 2 to the tough decisions whenever possible.



Please feel free to disagree and point out any flaws in my logic.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:05 pm
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Whole chapter devoted to this in 'The Raiser's Edge' with equilibrium calculations and then balanced ranges as well. Just finished that chapter and found it fascinating.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:05 pm
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gandalf55 wrote:
Whole chapter devoted to this in 'The Raiser's Edge' with equilibrium calculations and then balanced ranges as well. Just finished that chapter and found it fascinating.


Whats that one like. I'm currently on a book binge and finding them hugely informative. Have heard TRE is very LAG style.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:34 pm
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smashingfold wrote:
gandalf55 wrote:
Whole chapter devoted to this in 'The Raiser's Edge' with equilibrium calculations and then balanced ranges as well. Just finished that chapter and found it fascinating.


Whats that one like. I'm currently on a book binge and finding them hugely informative. Have heard TRE is very LAG style.


I got it on Kindle for buttons (read on my lappy or phone). Follows on from Kill Everyone. Well worth the read imho.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:07 pm
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gandalf55 wrote:
smashingfold wrote:
gandalf55 wrote:
Whole chapter devoted to this in 'The Raiser's Edge' with equilibrium calculations and then balanced ranges as well. Just finished that chapter and found it fascinating.


Whats that one like. I'm currently on a book binge and finding them hugely informative. Have heard TRE is very LAG style.


I got it on Kindle for buttons (read on my lappy or phone). Follows on from Kill Everyone. Well worth the read imho.


thanks both. I have ordered both books and they are on their way now.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:36 pm
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I managed to get a 2007 copy of Kill Everyone from the local library. About 1/4 of the way through I decided I needed to own a copy and managed to pick up a brand new 2009 copy off Ebay for a tenner including postage. The additional comment from Elky is a great add-on to what I've found to be a fantastic read.


I see that the Raisers edge is 6 quid on kindle. Will be next on the ever expanding list of books I have marked to read. Ed Millers Small Stakes NLH has been my favourite so far, so many forehead slapping moments of enlightenment.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:11 pm
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smashingfold wrote:
I managed to get a 2007 copy of Kill Everyone from the local library. About 1/4 of the way through I decided I needed to own a copy and managed to pick up a brand new 2009 copy off Ebay for a tenner including postage. The additional comment from Elky is a great add-on to what I've found to be a fantastic read.


I see that the Raisers edge is 6 quid on kindle. Will be next on the ever expanding list of books I have marked to read. Ed Millers Small Stakes NLH has been my favourite so far, so many forehead slapping moments of enlightenment.


Both arrived today and after the first chapter and a half of Kill Everyone I now see why so many people in the Hackett MTT challenge in Jan were playing small ball in the early stages of MTTs! I agree it reads well.

I hadn't really played MTTs much since Harrington was in vogue and my approach was way out of date apparently. Thanks for the tips, hopefully it will help me with the March MTT challenge Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:47 am
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uh oh... new books to add to my list now... Very Happy
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