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moosey
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Thanks for the response Jonny.
Appreciate the fact that Pokerstars are continuing to search for better solutions. |
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CarpeAnnum
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:15 pm
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| sleepingtom wrote: | Hello.
1. Please stop Poker Table Ratings from tracking your cash games. It is completely ridiculous and unfair how this continues to happen with nothing done about it.
Thanks. |
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Tosspot
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:13 am
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| PokerStars_VIP_UK wrote: | | Tosspot wrote: | | I'd like to see better rewards for microstakes grinders. Playing 50NL and below just doesn't seem viable at Stars given the rakeback deals offered by iPoker skins and other networks. |
Hey Tosspot, can you give me some figures of how much you play etc so we can do a comparison please?
Have you also figured in the rake comparisons? I would encourage you to compare the rake of the sites that you have been offered deals at vs PokerStars. Also, please take into account the fact that there are no MGR deductions with PokerStars VIP scheme at all, and you are never charged any fees for depositing, converting currency or cashing out. |
I'm currently playing iPoker 20NL 6max and despite the increased rake compared to Stars the 57% rakeback more than compensates. I'll be playing 50NL fairly soon and i believe the rake structure is identical to Stars and so it goes without saying that the ipoker rakeback is worth quite a lot. |
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Davy G
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:41 am
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| Tosspot wrote: | | I'd like to see better rewards for microstakes grinders. Playing 50NL and below just doesn't seem viable at Stars given the rakeback deals offered by iPoker skins and other networks. |
+1
If you offered more rewards to players that played 100nl and below that would mean more players would be able to move up and it would also take a lot of the grinder traffic away from iPoker and Party Poker.
As Pokerstars' reward scheme is generally bad for 90% of micro grinders, it's basically a no brainer for the grinders aforementioned to not play on Pokerstars.
90% = i would estimate that this is the figure of regulars who play less than 16 tables on both iPoker or Party Poker. |
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Eyeofsauron
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:00 am
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I  Pokerstars.
Won over $5000 in a $1 re-buy tournament for finishing in first place back in April (didn't need a re-buy either). Cashed out no problems and now using the money to do my bathroom up!
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My poker diary can be found at: http://eyeofsauron.blogspot.com/ |
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Pizzicato
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:28 am
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Soooo...
Sorta copied from Everquest 2 but...
Can we get an option under the 'requests' menu to order Pizza from our local Dominoes etc? 
Get a good tie up and theres lots of juicy commission for Stars and poker players have the option of ordering pizza while they play with no hassle! Win Win imo |
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pembo
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:49 am
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Can we get an option under the 'requests' menu to order Pizza from our local Dominoes etc? |
Talk about degen... |
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Grumbledook
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:33 am
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| Eyeofsauron wrote: | | using the money to do my bathroom up! |
talk about degen
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PokerStars_VIP_UK
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:35 pm
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| Tosspot wrote: | | PokerStars_VIP_UK wrote: | | Tosspot wrote: | | I'd like to see better rewards for microstakes grinders. Playing 50NL and below just doesn't seem viable at Stars given the rakeback deals offered by iPoker skins and other networks. |
Hey Tosspot, can you give me some figures of how much you play etc so we can do a comparison please?
Have you also figured in the rake comparisons? I would encourage you to compare the rake of the sites that you have been offered deals at vs PokerStars. Also, please take into account the fact that there are no MGR deductions with PokerStars VIP scheme at all, and you are never charged any fees for depositing, converting currency or cashing out. |
I'm currently playing iPoker 20NL 6max and despite the increased rake compared to Stars the 57% rakeback more than compensates. I'll be playing 50NL fairly soon and i believe the rake structure is identical to Stars and so it goes without saying that the ipoker rakeback is worth quite a lot. |
| Davy G wrote: | | Tosspot wrote: | | I'd like to see better rewards for microstakes grinders. Playing 50NL and below just doesn't seem viable at Stars given the rakeback deals offered by iPoker skins and other networks. |
+1
If you offered more rewards to players that played 100nl and below that would mean more players would be able to move up and it would also take a lot of the grinder traffic away from iPoker and Party Poker.
As Pokerstars' reward scheme is generally bad for 90% of micro grinders, it's basically a no brainer for the grinders aforementioned to not play on Pokerstars.
90% = i would estimate that this is the figure of regulars who play less than 16 tables on both iPoker or Party Poker. |
Hey guys, thanks for sharing your thoughts. There are many factors to consider when looking at the value of a rakeback offer. Including the rate at which rake was taken in the first place, of course. And the method (dealt, contributed, etc) used to determine rakeback or rewards can vary from site to site and significantly affect actual percentages.
Additionally, many sites make deductions from your MGR (the figure used to determine rakeback) for things like deposit/cash out fees, tournament overlays, transfers, promotions and bonuses. These factors do add up and can seriously affect your rakeback %. PokerStars VIP Programme is transparent and fair. What we say you will get, you will get. There are also no playthroughs on any of our Milestone Bonuses, they are instant cash. Stellar rewards are also a great way to earn while you play, and they are a free bonus.
Of course, when thinking about which site to play on, rewards are not the only thing that players choose to look at. Players want to feel safe and secure. We have segregated funds for player protection, the largest game security department in the business, who compensate players should they be affected by any collusion. We have extremely fast payouts, million dollar promotions that do not affect a player's rewards, there are no fees for cashing in or out like on other sites, and we do not charge you for currency conversion like other sites do. A player needs to play on a site where their game is available, and as PokerStars is the world's biggest site we naturally have the best game liquidity.
Another important aspect is software, grinders need to feel comfortable spending many hours a day playing poker, PokerStars has some of the best features for players and when things are suggested, we listen.
One final important thing is support. This aspect is what really sets up the image of a company as it is the only route of contact you have, when it takes three days to get a simple reply, players lose faith in the company (sometimes that reply won't even have a Haiku attached).
There are so many other factors to consider besides just the percentage rakeback a site offers.
Just something to think about,
Jonny |
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PokerStars_VIP_UK
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:39 pm
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| Pizzicato wrote: | Soooo...
Sorta copied from Everquest 2 but...
Can we get an option under the 'requests' menu to order Pizza from our local Dominoes etc?
Get a good tie up and theres lots of juicy commission for Stars and poker players have the option of ordering pizza while they play with no hassle! Win Win imo |
An idea close to my heart =)
There have been times when we have ordered pizza for some of the players playing the nosebleeds, I will pass this along.
See you in Edinburgh,
Jonny |
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PokerStars_VIP_UK
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:44 pm
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| Eyeofsauron wrote: | I Pokerstars.
Won over $5000 in a $1 re-buy tournament for finishing in first place back in April (didn't need a re-buy either). Cashed out no problems and now using the money to do my bathroom up! |
Congratulations Eye, pretty envious of your ROI! I hope you enjoy the bathroom that PokerStars paid for =)
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sleepingtom
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:21 pm
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| sleepingtom wrote: | Hello.
1. Please stop Poker Table Ratings from tracking your cash games. It is completely ridiculous and unfair how this continues to happen with nothing done about it.
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Please can this be addressed? Thank you.
Also one more question. How likely is it within the near future that the UK will have it's own separate part of the site like pokerstars.it etc? |
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PokerStars_VIP_UK
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:04 pm
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| sleepingtom wrote: | | sleepingtom wrote: | Hello.
1. Please stop Poker Table Ratings from tracking your cash games. It is completely ridiculous and unfair how this continues to happen with nothing done about it.
Thanks. |
Please can this be addressed? Thank you.
Also one more question. How likely is it within the near future that the UK will have it's own separate part of the site like pokerstars.it etc? |
Hey sleepingtom, thanks for your questions. I did post a response to this question to Moosey on the second page. However I can go into a little more technical detail here.
The fundamental problem is that the games can be observed. Anybody can load up a PokerStars client and observe a game in progress, and see the game play as it goes. They can also view the hand history immediately after the hand, in the "Instant Hand History" window.
Allowing observers to view the games prior to they play is a fundamental feature of the software that cannot be removed. Players like being able to tell their friends "hey, come sweat me on table so-and-so, I'm winning big!".
Once the data appears on a remote player's screen, however, it's completely out of our control. If it's being displayed on a remote screen, it *can* be gathered by a determined collector, no matter what restrictions we put in place... and we do have many such restrictions in place. This is the same challenge that Hollywood studios are facing: any data sent to a PC can be recorded, and Hollywood is collectively spending billions of dollars and trying to develop new protected hardware paths to stop people pirating video and audio.
It is our goal to minimise datamining via software limitations, without overly restricting real players who need to legitimately observe a table at which they are not playing. Since we're unwilling to completely remove such features (which would be throwing out the baby with the bathwater), we will always be engaged in a game of cat and mouse with those people that seek to break our rules.
We'll introduce a new block, and they'll circumvent it somehow, given enough time and resources.
There is simply no way we can keep them all out. We can only raise the barrier so high that it becomes not feasible to continue to do so, which is a barrier we have not yet reached and may never reach. Someone will always find value in finding a way around our efforts.
The best we can do is to continue to make their efforts less than complete, and to continue to shut down the accounts and access points of those that would gather hand histories. This is very much an ongoing process, and not at all an easy fix, as the end result cannot be that real players are blocked from observing the tables.
It is a fundamental paradox.
Datamining remains against the rules, and we continue to pursue all options, including potentially legal options against for profit datamining companies. Individual dataminers who are caught and ignore warnings are at risk of the loss of playing privileges on PokerStars.
In regards to the situation in the UK, we don't know what is going to happen and cannot speculate on the future.
Jonny |
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sleepingtom
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:11 pm
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Thanks for your reply but respectfully I feel it's just not good enough. FTP managed to do it before they shut down for months. I find it very hard to believe that it's really that hard to figure out how PTR are getting the hands and then stop it from happening. Pokerstars really is a great site but publicly publishing every single players results including all of their hand histories and stats is simply not fair. Everyones pages are full of abusive comments also on all of your players. When people see this do you think it makes online poker look good or attractive? It makes me hate it. It also destroys the games because now everyone sits out instantly because everyone checks each others PTR results. People who buy hand histories also have a clear advantage over people who don't.
Not trying to be rude just want to get my points across.
Thanks for listening |
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moosey
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:14 pm
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Hello again Jonny,
What about allowing regular player name changes so that the data is rendered useless like one site that one site I know of already does? Is this an option that would possibly work to alleviate many players worries over the analysis / recording of their poker hands?
Thanks as always |
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