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FATPETE
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 Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:24 pm
Post subject: Help with tilt i'm nose diving |
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Hi guys,
I'm tilting like mad and i'm not sure what sets me off 3 weeks ago i was winning 75% of my games in the money i'm only a micro stakes player and in a 3 weeks run managed to cashout £350, i even cashed 11 times in a row.
But now my stats are nose diving this crap keeps happening i win for ages start to think i've nailed it then start tilting i've noticed in the last year i have 3 big peaks in my winnings followed by 3 massive dives.
I've looked at the stats on the 3 poker sites i play and the trends are the same they all go up at the same time and dive at the same time
But how do i learn to control the thing i'm playing hands i know are bad, i just can't believe i've gone from playing great and feeling like neo in the matrix to playing like a complete donk.
I need to learn to understand what sets me off how do i go about getting to the route of the problem?
Can someone please slap me around the face a bit i need sorting out.
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ReggieK
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:44 pm
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A simple solution- Take a weeks break from the game completely.
You're getting jaded, angry and expecting to lose.
Not a good mindset.
Forget the game, go out and get hammered, pull some birds etc etc, and come back next weekend when you want to play it again.
This will work
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jun_fan_lee
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:47 pm
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What games? I assume sit-and-gos? TBH you prob just went on an upswing. Variance is massive if you play a high volume in those games. The worst thing you can do when you are winning is think you're the best player in the world.
If you think you were playing correctly and have just been suffering some bad luck then keep doing what you're doing and the results will even out. Volume is key though and you can't look at your short term results and glean too much from that. Looking at the bigger picutre will help you get over your tilt issues (hopefully  ) |
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ScottMGee
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:53 pm
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| Quote: | | Forget the game, go out and get hammered, pull some birds etc etc, |
With a username like FATPETE the above is -ve Expectation. |
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Grumbledook
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:04 pm
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Get a copy of the Poker Mindset by Matthew Hilger
It is in the Mob bounty store for 15 points
I agree that it sounds like you should take a break as well |
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FATPETE
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:45 pm
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| jun_fan_lee wrote: | What games? I assume sit-and-gos? TBH you prob just went on an upswing. Variance is massive if you play a high volume in those games. The worst thing you can do when you are winning is think you're the best player in the world.
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You might be right the upswings normally last about 100 games followed by 100 downswing, probably not helped by bad bank roll management.
And i must admit after winning so many games on the trot i think mybe it go's to my head
i'll go on another upswing but i don't want a downswing lol
i can't believe how hard it can be to make a profit playing poker my average stake is $3 and i've won £5.809.19 in 11 months
and my profit well +£60 LMAO i've won and just kept playing through the tilt
my last major tilt session i thought it was a good idea to play 2 $109 9 seater games, which i got bust on after getting donked on 1 finishing 4th i went mad and played my first $50, 9 seater 2 mins later,i just kept saying to myself i'm better than these luckily i managed to win in 1st busting 6 players but just breaking even from the 2 $109 games.
i even woke my wife up to tell her what a bad mistake i've just made i was really annoyed with myself and beat myself up for a week about it then i played great for 300 games and now i'm here.
I won't be making that mistake again i'm gonna read some books on it it seem to peak the dive feel bad about my game beat myself up then play great again.
man this poker is hard
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vince
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:32 pm
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| FATPETE wrote: | | And i must admit after winning so many games on the trot i think mybe it go's to my head. |
Common problem this. Many people start to win, get on a good streak through good play or just luck and then just continue playing on autopilot without really thinking about the hands anymore. Take that break, it sounds like you need it. |
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darrensprengers
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:35 pm
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| FATPETE wrote: | | jun_fan_lee wrote: | What games? I assume sit-and-gos? TBH you prob just went on an upswing. Variance is massive if you play a high volume in those games. The worst thing you can do when you are winning is think you're the best player in the world.
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You might be right the upswings normally last about 100 games followed by 100 downswing, probably not helped by bad bank roll management.
And i must admit after winning so many games on the trot i think mybe it go's to my head
i'll go on another upswing but i don't want a downswing lol
i can't believe how hard it can be to make a profit playing poker my average stake is $3 and i've won £5.809.19 in 11 months
and my profit well +£60 LMAO i've won and just kept playing through the tilt
my last major tilt session i thought it was a good idea to play 2 $109 9 seater games, which i got bust on after getting donked on 1 finishing 4th i went mad and played my first $50, 9 seater 2 mins later,i just kept saying to myself i'm better than these luckily i managed to win in 1st busting 6 players but just breaking even from the 2 $109 games.
i even woke my wife up to tell her what a bad mistake i've just made i was really annoyed with myself and beat myself up for a week about it then i played great for 300 games and now i'm here.
I won't be making that mistake again i'm gonna read some books on it it seem to peak the dive feel bad about my game beat myself up then play great again.
man this poker is hard |
the best thing to do is when you are winning is analyse your hands and see if you are above expectation. Winning big when behind or calling bets when not priced in will seem ok when you hit. But eventually the variance will catch up with you.
try and look at ranges and see if you beat ranges too. Try and be honest about them so you can see if that river call was a great call because you rivered two pair vs their two pair or whether they so often have two pair beat that it was still a bad call. Things like that.
A good simple example of this was at the wsope when negreanu made a preflop call with JJ vs a super tight player. He then saw them have AK and declared it a bad call. A spanish women player at the table was like "bad call what do you mean they have AK". Its a bad call because his percentage vs a super tight range were negative. about 36% i think. I cant remember the chip stacks actually so maybe it was an instant call.
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FATPETE
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:58 pm
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| vince wrote: | | Common problem this. Many people start to win, get on a good streak through good play or just luck and then just continue playing on autopilot without really thinking about the hands anymore. Take that break, it sounds like you need it. |
Thanks for the advice vince
it's gonna kill me this but i need a break i don't think i've had more than 2 days off for 1 year lol and i've played over 2000+ games
autopilot i think is the word at the min, thats why i'm losing if i remember what i've learned i win when i play players and lose when i play just cards.
and right now i'm just playing cards, i'll let you know how i get on when i come back on i don't know if to take the week off and do some reading.
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FATPETE
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:15 pm
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| darrensprengers wrote: |
the best thing to do is when you are winning is analyse your hands and see if you are above expectation. Winning big when behind or calling bets when not priced in will seem ok when you hit. But eventually the variance will catch up with you.
try and look at ranges and see if you beat ranges too. |
thanks for the advice right now i'm looking at my game to find the leaks i have 2 major one's that cost me lots 1-tilt 2-SPP on the blinds i get too defensive on my blind from a button/SB raise with Small pockets busted in 3500 in the miniftops sunday with 77 on the BB, and countless other tournies in the same way
157th in the PS quarter mill BB Pocket 44 same way SB raise this is my major tournie leak, i never lose playing the flop. i lose coin flips on the bloody BB.
I know what you saying darren i play position and understand starting ranges and when i play well i play the player whatching betting patterns see if they CB all the time ect if they bet flush draws and the like, in tournies i play well but i'm starting to see leaks from the BB ect
I'm going to take the week off and do some reading watch some poker ect thanks for the advice i'm gonna stop playing for a bit and start posting hands in the forumn get some feed back.
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At what ****in point did you think you had me beat? |
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placemat
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:49 pm
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| FATPETE wrote: | | darrensprengers wrote: |
the best thing to do is when you are winning is analyse your hands and see if you are above expectation. Winning big when behind or calling bets when not priced in will seem ok when you hit. But eventually the variance will catch up with you.
try and look at ranges and see if you beat ranges too. |
thanks for the advice right now i'm looking at my game to find the leaks i have 2 major one's that cost me lots 1-tilt 2-SPP on the blinds i get too defensive on my blind from a button/SB raise with Small pockets busted in 3500 in the miniftops sunday with 77 on the BB, and countless other tournies in the same way
157th in the PS quarter mill BB Pocket 44 same way SB raise this is my major tournie leak, i never lose playing the flop. i lose coin flips on the bloody BB.
I know what you saying darren i play position and understand starting ranges and when i play well i play the player whatching betting patterns see if they CB all the time ect if they bet flush draws and the like, in tournies i play well but i'm starting to see leaks from the BB ect
I'm going to take the week off and do some reading watch some poker ect thanks for the advice i'm gonna stop playing for a bit and start posting hands in the forumn get some feed back. |
There are many people, that gamble, that will never have any money because they gamble. Play tight when they are skint but as soon as they start to make it either play loose or bet bigger.Its almost like they will never be happy till alls the moneys gone. To win at cash games you need to be like a book keeper playing the same game as you do when near rock bottom. |
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MadYank
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:56 pm
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I highly reccomend moving to a house in the jungle on a mountain overlooking the ocean in the tropics. I've found it helps reduce the tilt.
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hackett
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Location: Being financially raped by low life scum who are desperate for a few hundred - Have a guess who?????
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:01 pm
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| Grumbledook wrote: | Get a copy of the Poker Mindset by Matthew Hilger
It is in the Mob bounty store for 15 points
I agree that it sounds like you should take a break as well |
The what???? 
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OwenP
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:09 pm
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Holy shit, it's a rare MadYank sighting!  |
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luckyjimm
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:38 pm
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| MadYank wrote: | | I highly reccomend moving to a house in the jungle on a mountain overlooking the ocean in the tropics. I've found it helps reduce the tilt. |
Not enough, imo |
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