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Nem
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:42 pm
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No reads/stats or history.

Fold or call?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:01 pm
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tricky spot

obviously you are worried he made a higher boat here

most probably with 66 as would he likely stick around with 2 pair here? 76xx 7Txx might be in his range 75xx less likely as you have 55xx

he may also have had a high pair making two pair on the river, the fact you didn't bet the flop makes him think you don't have a straight or perhaps a set yourself

there are also two missed flushed draws by the river and he could be making this play with AAsx KKsx QQsx thinking he is ahead, though perhaps not if he is worried you have a 7

that would lead me to think that he proabably has a 7 in his hand but you never know

so yes great helpful reply from me ;]
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:12 pm
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Fake.

Nem would never sit down in an Omahaha game.

Great helpful reply from me also ;[

Edit: In before any Wez Omahaha stories...


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Matt101
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:16 pm
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Pretty sure it's a fold as your hand is almost never good here, there's a chance I'd talk myself into calling though. Villain probably has TT or maybe something like 789T imo.

Why not lead out on the flop btw? It's a lovely flop and you're never in terrible shape against anything but if you give him a free card the turn could give him a straight, kill your action if it's a heart (no chance he has 2nd nut flush) and if the board pairs you're unlikely to get much action unless he has you crushed.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:35 pm
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You have a fullhouse! Folding there would be like quitting smoking.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:26 pm
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You may be beat, but for me it is a call.
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Matt101
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:40 pm
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Bottom FH is rarely good against a raise on the river.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:11 pm
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I don't mind the check on the flop, if it gets bet i assume you are looking to CR and take it down there.

If you are betting the turn then pot it, double suited flush draw and you are pissing about with 3/4 bets, hmmmmm. Edit, you had the nut draw one way. Even so make that DS K's or Q's pay premium.

River needs to be all about pot control. He has stuck around this long, you have to think at least at 6 max he had the minimum of 2 pair and boated up. Check call for me.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 4:45 am
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taking this hand in isolation you cannot call. You have to have knowledge of the opponent to know he is either rubbish enough to raise the river with a set or over pair or good enough to know what you had and raise with a representative bluff.

In absence of this information you will rarely be good here and will be highly unlikely to show a profit on the call.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:13 pm
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I think his raise on the river is very unlikely to be a hand worse than yours raising for value - if he has an overpair or a 7 but no boat, or a st8, he is just calling, unless....he flopped the st8 and thinks he has under repped it and is now desperate to get paid even tho the board has paired (dunno abouot this, but I have seen it happen often enough). So it's a bluff (he thinks it's a re-bluff?) or boat bigger than yours. Given you have no reads I think it is a fold.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:07 pm
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Fold. Though everyone i think would have called in the heat of the moment.

your probebly beat but its probebly a correct call in the long run Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:45 pm
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I think it's a fold too, it's either a bluff raise (if so well played) or a hand that beats you, unless of course he's a moron which is always possible but not something you can just assume without some evidence.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:06 pm
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I was multi tabling and kind of flabergasted by his raise. Surely he would bet a set on the flop, two pair, combo draws etc. After he raised the river he is representing a very narrow range and given I'm a omahaha noob and multi tabling I folded. But imo when people are representing such a narrow range (after checking this flop the only hand he is representing that is ahead of mine is TT) a call is in order.

He called the turn with a flush draw and showed his bluff on the river. I stacked him soon after though so all is good.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:23 pm
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Preflop seems bad.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:29 pm
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Checkov wrote:
Preflop seems bad.


yeah obv terrible 120bbs deep with a nut potential hand like mine.
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