Pretty sure it's a fold as your hand is almost never good here, there's a chance I'd talk myself into calling though. Villain probably has TT or maybe something like 789T imo.
Why not lead out on the flop btw? It's a lovely flop and you're never in terrible shape against anything but if you give him a free card the turn could give him a straight, kill your action if it's a heart (no chance he has 2nd nut flush) and if the board pairs you're unlikely to get much action unless he has you crushed.
taking this hand in isolation you cannot call. You have to have knowledge of the opponent to know he is either rubbish enough to raise the river with a set or over pair or good enough to know what you had and raise with a representative bluff.
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 1:13 pm Post subject:
I think his raise on the river is very unlikely to be a hand worse than yours raising for value - if he has an overpair or a 7 but no boat, or a st8, he is just calling, unless....he flopped the st8 and thinks he has under repped it and is now desperate to get paid even tho the board has paired (dunno abouot this, but I have seen it happen often enough). So it's a bluff (he thinks it's a re-bluff?) or boat bigger than yours. Given you have no reads I think it is a fold.
I think it's a fold too, it's either a bluff raise (if so well played) or a hand that beats you, unless of course he's a moron which is always possible but not something you can just assume without some evidence.
I was multi tabling and kind of flabergasted by his raise. Surely he would bet a set on the flop, two pair, combo draws etc. After he raised the river he is representing a very narrow range and given I'm a omahaha noob and multi tabling I folded. But imo when people are representing such a narrow range (after checking this flop the only hand he is representing that is ahead of mine is TT) a call is in order.
He called the turn with a flush draw and showed his bluff on the river. I stacked him soon after though so all is good.
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