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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 1:55 pm
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Was playing in local game on Friday night and pushed pre-flop with 10/10 and was called by A/K. Flop was 2/4/10 (happy days), turn J but at this point the dealer noticed that the 10 had a card stuck under it a 7 which should have been last card on flop leaving the 10 as the burn card, what was discussed was that #1- as the flop action had been completed ie burn and turn card had been dealt hand should run out as is #2- the deck should be reshuffled and hand re-dealt. Fellow running the game decided that a re-dealt board was way to go and of course 2 Kings come to knock me out. What would the correct ruling be on this ?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:05 pm
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very very odd one, I would say if there was still live players in the hand (2 players minimum not all in) then folp should stay as 2-4-10 and shuffle the 7 and the turn card and re-deal. if it was just an all in and a call id say the folp is 2-4-7 the 10 is a burn card the actual card that was burned becomes the turn and the card exposed wrongly as the turn is re-shuffled into the pack and burn and river.

seem the fairest action to me.

was this a casino/card room and which.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:31 pm
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just a local pub game were we deal ourselves,
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:35 pm
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In that case, I'd have kicked off big time
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:43 pm
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were a friendly sort and you have to take the good with the bad , pressure was on the fellow running the game and no matter what was decided 1 of us were losers.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:48 pm
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Where was this at pal?
I'd have said "no, no redeals or else"
Bloody cheek of it, if I was you I'd have stood up and gave the dealer a slap
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:56 pm
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ReggieK wrote:
Where was this at pal?
I'd have said "no, no redeals or else"
Bloody cheek of it, if I was you I'd have stood up and gave the dealer a slap

And then a kick in the bollox for good measure
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:04 pm
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So the flop and burn cards might have been mixed up and the turn and burn might have been mixed up... either way, seeing as this was in a pub, I might have dealt to the river and then turned the burn cards over and if there was no ace or king then you could say to the other guy that no matter what the burn cards were or should have been, there was no possible way he could have won anyway. A bit of a gamble for you to do that but it saves trying to explain the situation and hoping that they don't feel like you're cheating them, which is always my concern when playing with someone who doesn't know all of the rules/procedures for errors.

Normally though, you can try and correct the issue as much as possible. If it's not obvious what the board should be then I would have attempted to reverse the board cards back on to the deck and then redo it correctly.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:14 pm
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X wrote:
In that case, I'd have kicked off big time


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:12 am
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stowjon wrote:
very very odd one, I would say if there was still live players in the hand (2 players minimum not all in) then folp should stay as 2-4-10 and shuffle the 7 and the turn card and re-deal. if it was just an all in and a call id say the folp is 2-4-7 the 10 is a burn card the actual card that was burned becomes the turn and the card exposed wrongly as the turn is re-shuffled into the pack and burn and river.

seem the fairest action to me.

was this a casino/card room and which.


I'm not sure there can ever be different dealing rules depending on who is dealt in, sounds like it could create lots of problems in future.

It sounds like everyone agrees on what happened:
1) 2nd burn card accidentally exposed
2) Turn dealt face down
3) 3rd burn card accidentally exposed

Any of those happen individually it just gets shown to everyone and turned over. Just do the same for all 3.

TT was never 'meant' to win flop a ten here, arguing for a re-shuffle is an angle IMO.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:19 pm
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I think you want to do everything possible to keep the board that was meant to be dealt. So if the dealer knows for sure, that the 10 was the mistake card and it was meant to be the burn card before the turn, then do it that way, making the burn card the turn and so forth. However, depending on how you deal the flop, you could just be guessing that its the 10 thats the burn. If you can't be sure which cards are which, then you just have to put the cards back in the deck re-shuffle and re-deal.

Having said that, I do also like the idea of turning all 7 cards face up, so all the players can see the flop turn river and 2 burn cards, (first burn card should be easy to identify and should stay 'dead'.) If the AK can't win from any flop turn river possiblilities, then I would keep 10/10 as the winner, because although we don't know the exact order the cards were meant to be in, we do know that AK was never 'meant' to win, thus keeping the original board that was meant to be dealt. Could get messy if there is an Ace King or Queen in there though, and although I agree with Alex about not doing something dif depending on wether there are players left to act or not, this suggestion would only work if both players are the only ones in the hand.

Certainly a tough spot for the tournament director though! Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 3:45 pm
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Thanks for your thoughts definitely a tough one too call. We'll talk about it for a while yet and hopefully never see it again
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:07 pm
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I think the best way would be just keep your cards and pick up the flop & turn and shuffle the deck, then run it 2 x

Thats the fairest ways,
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:42 am
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If the mistake were recognized before burning and placing the turn card on the board, I could agree. However, because the turn card was played, I'd have to continue to play out the remainder of the hand without a re-deal. I prefer treating it like a "boxed" card.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:48 pm
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neilcaterham wrote:
ReggieK wrote:
Where was this at pal?
I'd have said "no, no redeals or else"
Bloody cheek of it, if I was you I'd have stood up and gave the dealer a slap

And then a kick in the bollox for good measure


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