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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:28 pm
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dont get me started on Americans

i once met an american and even though he knew i was from Ireland, he was astounded that i had been to europe

i asked him how far did he think Ireland was from the good 'ol USA?

well, he said, very knowingly, if you go to the top of the empire state building with a really good pair of binoculars, you should just about make out ireland on the horison

i wish i had a pair of them binoculars, ultra zoom at 5000 miles

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:36 pm
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The Cavendish wasn't just a poker club, it was an illegal casino. BJ and Roulette was played versus the house. The owner says this was a no-profit business. I'm sure he did not report his casino winnings or losses.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:26 pm
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ok so it was an illegal casino

what about the Gutshot? they dont have anything cept cards and a restaurant with some pc's playing poker
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:46 am
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The Gutshot case presents the opportunity to challenge the law.

Micky McCloskey talks about scenes in The Cavendish reminiscent of a 1920s speakeasy and the raid on a poker tournament. When a policeman was consulted I'm sure he wasn't asked if the BJ and Roulette were legal. The PSNI timed their raid so that the only gambling happening was the BJ and roulette. Everyone in the club was and is aware that these activities are illegal. The owners were thumbing their noses at the law. I would think that is why they were raided and no other poker tournament / club. It's common knowledge that in Las Vegas, the poker rooms make less money than the House games.

If poker only was being played the PSNI may not have reacted. That is what the PSNi had said.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 1:04 pm
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Police confiscated about 23,000 from poker players

Poker players who had cash seized by police in a raid at a private club in Belfast at the weekend should get their money back, a magistrate has ruled.

Police had lodged a Proceeds of Crime application at Belfast Magistrates Court to retain the money as evidence.

More than 23,000 was seized during a search of the Cavendish Club on Corporation Street on Saturday, along with other gambling equipment.

A poker game was taking place in the club at the time.

Police had ordered up to 200 players - including doctors and lawyers - to stop playing.


Club owner Sean Murphy said it was not being run for profit
Well-known in poker circles, the club has hosted the online Texas Hold'em poker Open and is often featured on Sky TV.

The raid was carried out under the Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusement Order 1985.

The court was told that police took action because of the number of similar clubs which have recently opened up.

'Not nefarious'

Club owner Sean Murphy said in evidence that his club did not make a profit, but he wanted to put down a marker in the event that casinos might be legalised in Northern Ireland as in the rest of the UK.

Magistrate Desmond Perry said the prime purpose of the Proceeds of Crime legislation was to deal with elements causing society harm through drugs or other nefarious activities, but the Cavendish Club was anything but this.

He said Mr Murphy was a respectable businessman who had not disputed where the money came from.

"I see no reason for the further detention of this money and it is left to Mr Murphy to see that it is returned to those people to whom it belongs because I feel he won't be re-opening the Cavendish Club," Mr Perry added.

Speaking after the hearing, Mr Murphy said he would do his best to comply with Mr Perry's wishes.

Defence solicitor Kevin Winters said: "The law covering the playing of poker needs to be sorted out.

"My client is satisfied with the outcome of the case but takes issue with the heavy-handed manner in which this case was brought to court."

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:30 pm
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This is a disgraceful way of acting on the police' behalf. It seems that it was just an opportunity to flex their muscle over the whole situation. It would have been a lot more respectable to act outside office hours and save the trauma for the punters who were just out for a game of cards...its not like someone dialled 999 shouting "theres a game of cards going on, quick, get the lads!"
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:23 pm
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Marky66 wrote:
The PSNI timed their raid so that the only gambling happening was the BJ and roulette.


This is not true. I was there.

During the raid the police said they were there to stop the poker tournament and stated playing poker anywhere in Northern Ireland where a rake/registration was taken was illegal.

When questioned if the other poker club situated a 1/2 mile from the Cavendish would also be closed we were told they were OK as they had a license to play BINGO. This premises is also running BJ & roulette tables and is still in business.

When we asked what exactly a bingo license had to do with poker the officer didn't reply.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:25 pm
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Ugh...its all just load of bollox by the sound of it.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:28 pm
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Maybe they just wanted to get on the current fashionable poker bandwagon.
Or the Chief had a badbeat online the night before.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:33 pm
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Im presuming that the reason they sent in 40 odd officers in riot gear was because they were actually going in and confiscating a LOT of money, all of which belonged to punters geared up for winning a big prize. So it would be seen as a logical precautionary measure to be prepared for the worst. But this again shows how it was ridiculous making the raid during office hours...if they were worried about trouble why not just do it by going direct to management and not while a big tourney was going on. Maybe they wanted trouble to spark off, would give the whole scene very bad press...thankfully nothing along those lines happened.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:30 am
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sonneti wrote:
Marky66 wrote:
The PSNI timed their raid so that the only gambling happening was the BJ and roulette.


This is not true. I was there.

During the raid the police said they were there to stop the poker tournament and stated playing poker anywhere in Northern Ireland where a rake/registration was taken was illegal.

When questioned if the other poker club situated a 1/2 mile from the Cavendish would also be closed we were told they were OK as they had a license to play BINGO. This premises is also running BJ & roulette tables and is still in business.

When we asked what exactly a bingo license had to do with poker the officer didn't reply.

Sonneti, why do you think the police targeted the cavendish
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:32 am
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Ryan,

This is wrong then:

According to eyewitnesses, including competing poker players, the police operation was heavy on manpower. One bemused and unhappy player said:

"Around 9.30 pm, we stopped for a short 10 minute break. We had had a few hours of play and the tournament was slowly getting towards peaking. Some people stayed upstairs to play blackjack and roulette whilst the majority were downstairs smoking and talking

Mark
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