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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:45 pm
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Good stuff
No wonder a lot of scots want independence
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:56 pm
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Thumbs up from me, might encourage certain families to move to Scotland. Angel
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:15 am
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How come the royal family don't lose some of their benefit for having empty rooms?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:30 am
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Because they are not on benefits?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:25 pm
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Indestructible wrote:
Because they are not on benefits?


Nice one but think its lost on the Lefties thickos
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:35 pm
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Thumbs up from me, might encourage certain families to move to Scotland. Angel


+1

They can all sod off to Scotland and live in spare room Utopia rather than expecting me to pay for it.

Then give 'em independence, close the borders and watch 'Rhodesia 2' happen.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:17 pm
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But you're not paying for them
You're paying for all the old pensioners having a good time on their high pensions, winter fuel allowance, bus passes, telly licences etc

My mate Tel was saying yesterday and it makes so much sense, hes been unemployed for 9 years and seeing prices rise and his benefits freeze along with havin to shell out 15 a week bedroom tax
He said if they cut pensions and gave the money to unemployed people of working age things would improve, as the money would get spent rather than hoarded
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:24 pm
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If the royal family did a decent job I would not object to them being paid for it. Call it what you like, they are leeches. Also don't see what leftie has to do with it.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:26 pm
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peterH wrote:
Indestructible wrote:
Thumbs up from me, might encourage certain families to move to Scotland. Angel


+1

They can all sod off to Scotland and live in spare room Utopia rather than expecting me to pay for it.

Then give 'em independence, close the borders and watch 'Rhodesia 2' happen.


The policy has cost you way more money than it has saved.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:00 pm
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paddymick wrote:
peterH wrote:
Indestructible wrote:
Thumbs up from me, might encourage certain families to move to Scotland. Angel


+1

They can all sod off to Scotland and live in spare room Utopia rather than expecting me to pay for it.

Then give 'em independence, close the borders and watch 'Rhodesia 2' happen.


The policy has cost you way more money than it has saved.


Agreed the cuts need to go further.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:05 pm
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Its so embarrassing living in a country in which so many people can shamelessly refer to this as a "tax".

It's like someone who repays part of a loan and then thinks you owe them a favour. There is no self-respect any more.

I like an idea I heard recently that an annual tax statement should include a net tax(benefit) number and percentage. It would help people understand whether they were a net cost or contributor to the state. And it would help get rid of the idea that our tax framework is not progressive, since most of the people concerned about that would see negative effective tax rates.

Along with published annual stats it would help people get a bit more buy-in to the effects that their voting decisions have.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:22 pm
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Considering i donate 20% on every penny i spend im pretty sure i am a net contributor
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:35 pm
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Nothing wrong with those ideas Alex, but no matter what you call it, it is a failed policy.
It has cost councils far more money to evit and relocate people than it has saved. Plus all of the cases where a spare room was needed and justifiable.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:19 pm
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Something like this:

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/ne...endent-state.html



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Having split the country's households into five income 'quintiles', the CPS claims that the bottom three, on average, now receive more back in state aid and value through public services than they pay in tax. The CPS claims that 53.4 per cent of total households received more in benefits than they paid in taxes in 2010/11 compared to 43.1 per cent in 1979 and 43.8 per cent in 2000/01
It means households in the bottom 20 per cent of earners get 10,153 more in benefits than they pay in tax. Even the middle 20 per cent get 4,589 more than they pay in.

You have to get to the top 40 per cent before you can claim to be a net contributor. Households in the fourth quintile pay 4,113 more in tax than they take out, while the top 20 per cent of earners pay a whopping 20,125 more in than they get back.


So you probably need a household income >30k to be a net contributor, the top 40% of the population.
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