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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:57 pm
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I don't think he folds at any point anyway but tried to get max value. As has been the theme of tonight though he sucks out.

This Hi/Lo btw too.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:05 pm
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Bet sizing was correct.
Why bet pot and knock him out of there, just $hitty river. Even on turn and river bets were good
Keep playing it like that all day imo
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:11 pm
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Cheers Neil. Just gone out of another on a flip now. Can't remember winning one all day. I'll play the mob game and quit until Sunday now. 13 tournaments today cashed 1, 4 bubbles(ish). No point ruining my profit margins further on a night I clearly am not going to win anything on.

Best just make sure I'm fresh for the forum challenge and big hilo game.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:21 pm
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I know its shit but don't beat yourself up over it mate, it'll come. When do you want me to ship for the weekend
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:52 pm
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Whenever your ready now mate. I won't play again until sunday so as soon as I see you and Knassen have shipped I'll buy into it and enjoy the weekend.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:57 pm
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ok gl mate
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:11 am
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when they both call the flop there are potentially 12 cards you dont want to see(not including made over set hands). you cannot fold the river so just shove the turn to maximise any potential error they make. With an over pair and up and down its a standard call for them. but with just an up and and down its pretty bad. two pair will call too.
There is no trickiness to short stack play, just get them in at the quickest opportunity with as much equity as you can manage
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:04 pm
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My o8 knowledge is limited at the moment but......................

up to the turn all looks fine to me, but on the turn i am getting it all in every time. i feel if they are calling 1k here then they are calling 3k, if villian misses up and down on the river unless he is a mega fish like knassen Smile you wont get the last 2k bet called

well thats how i see it
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:24 pm
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I disagree with Darren and Rigsby .

You are short, when the turn comes you are not folding at all!!.
Now you want 1 caller ideally, reason being 2 callers on that turn whatever the bet size would be awful really as there is no low chance and chances are 1 of them will have you beat.
But you need to price someone in on a draw. an all in move there could possibly scare them both off. YOU WANT 1 CALLER, the small bet on the turn encouraged him to call then he was committed and just got lucky, he had 4 outs on the turn KKJJ, you were already made.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:49 pm
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Thanks for the feedback all. Lots of things to take into consideration for future. Need all the help I can get after today!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:12 am
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i like a game of o8 but not great, but to me im jamming the turn all day, if you bet and both call your not in good shape imo, but a jam isolates surely.
unlucky in the end ......
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:45 pm
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Yeah. Think he calls a jam anyway and same thing happens. Was actually surprised not to be reraised on the flop after seeing his hand and the way he played as there was little chance of a low draw.

All comes down to what I was trying to achieve. I didn't want both to fold as i felt I had both crushed on the turn. Having been on that table for a while I felt the bet I made would get me the 1 caller I wanted. I wasn't reraised on the flop which I felt I would have been if one of them was quite strong. As there was no raise I felt they were both pretty weak so I designed the bet to fold one guy out. I did that but would it be the correct bet in the long run against two randomers I'd just sat down with? That's what I'm trying to learn from the debate here.

My gut says in this situation I played it exactly right as I knew my 'targets' so to speak. Open to debate whether this would be the right play had I just joined the table.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:36 pm
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PokerWolf1 wrote:
Yeah. Think he calls a jam anyway and same thing happens. Was actually surprised not to be reraised on the flop after seeing his hand and the way he played as there was little chance of a low draw.

All comes down to what I was trying to achieve. I didn't want both to fold as i felt I had both crushed on the turn. Having been on that table for a while I felt the bet I made would get me the 1 caller I wanted. I wasn't reraised on the flop which I felt I would have been if one of them was quite strong. As there was no raise I felt they were both pretty weak so I designed the bet to fold one guy out. I did that but would it be the correct bet in the long run against two randomers I'd just sat down with? That's what I'm trying to learn from the debate here.

My gut says in this situation I played it exactly right as I knew my 'targets' so to speak. Open to debate whether this would be the right play had I just joined the table.


Everything about Omaha 8 is different to NLHE. Now I agreed with the bet sizing for your reasons as they were the same as mine, but Omaha 8 is such a small community that if you are regularly grinding the tourneys on Stars, and more importantly FTP, that 90% of the other players already have extensive notes on you, and you on them I would expect.
So , long and short for me, played it very well even on a move to a table in which I guarantee you had notes on half the table or know their game to a degree. If it is a massive field tourney then shove but most of the time in O8 you will know who you are playing
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:08 pm
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Yeah finding extensive note taking very useful. As you say I see the same players in pretty much EVERY tournament.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:28 pm
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Just started on the road to collecting notes Very Happy
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