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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:25 am
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25287108

In today's economic climate this is simply farcical!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:31 am
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Just goes to PROVE that the majority are been had
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:50 am
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fair play they do a good job Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:55 pm
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I think MP's should be paid a lot more, BUT:

1. They shouldn't be able to have any business interests at all
2. Only basic expenses should be paid and there should be strict rules about what can be claimed
3. Political parties should be funded by the taxpayer. The more members you have the more funding you get.

This would cut down corruption and give us better representation.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:00 pm
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They have got to have business interests. What would happen when they lose their seat?
Most employees today have the equivalent of a little black book in industries like IT etc.
The world revolves on corruption, if we get rid of it here I reckon we will be at a disadvantage globally
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:12 pm
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paddymick wrote:
I think MP's should be paid a lot more, BUT:

1. They shouldn't be able to have any business interests at all
2. Only basic expenses should be paid and there should be strict rules about what can be claimed

3. Political parties should be funded by the taxpayer. The more members you have the more funding you get.

This would cut down corruption and give us better representation.


Agree with this - currently you have people in a position of power who are, and feel, underpaid and therefore easy pickings for lobbyists. I'm constantly surprised that more corruption doesn't hit the headlines daily.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:15 pm
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neilcaterham wrote:
They have got to have business interests. What would happen when they lose their seat?
Most employees today have the equivalent of a little black book in industries like IT etc.
The world revolves on corruption, if we get rid of it here I reckon we will be at a disadvantage globally


Cynical, but true I guess. I just don't like the idea of ministers having directorships in companies directly related to their portfolio.
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paddymick wrote:

They have got to have business interests. What would happen when they lose their seat?
Most employees today have the equivalent of a little black book in industries like IT etc.


At best they would be kept on and employed by their party. At worst they would have to find another job. I can't see why either of those is a problem.

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The world revolves on corruption, if we get rid of it here I reckon we will be at a disadvantage globally


Rubbish. Corruption is a bad thing full stop. Lack of corruption does not affect production, it enhances it, and would make the population as a whole better off. Are you arguing that corruption is a good thing? Or are you going to tell me you are being a realist? Which is a shabby justification used by people with self serving motives the world over.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:03 pm
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I guess i'm a person with self serving motivesthen, which is probably true. I'm of the opinion I will do whatever to make life comfortable for me and my own.
Getting rid of corruption in the uk would not do us any good on a global economic scale as there is too much corruption the world over.
China, for example, one of the biggest investors the world over, corruption present there or not??
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:41 pm
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neilcaterham wrote:
I guess i'm a person with self serving motivesthen, which is probably true. I'm of the opinion I will do whatever to make life comfortable for me and my own.
Getting rid of corruption in the uk would not do us any good on a global economic scale as there is too much corruption the world over.
China, for example, one of the biggest investors the world over, corruption present there or not??



OK at least you admit it. If you had more empathy with people you don't currently care for, might you feel differently?

Your argument about being at a disadvantage globally - even if it were true, it would not be a good reason to continue down the path we are on. China's growing influence is worrying for sure. I'd rather not trade at all with them, or allow them to invest here. We don't need it. There are better alternatives. I'd also hate to get into a 'corruption arms race' or whatever. Corruption in all it's forms is affecting almost everyone in the world very badly as it is.

I'd even go so far to say that you and your family would be better off in a fairer society. It's possible to be public-spirited and self serving at the same time. Unless you want power over others.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:03 pm
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Hard question to answer!! I have seen a lot of gruesome things in the past so I am not a very empathetic person at all, so I don't know.

I see a "fairer society" differently to you also I would imagine. In my eyes, fairness is for lazy people. If you want something go and get it, being "fair" will get you nowhere unless you are absolutely minted anyway. Money, in all its forms, does bring happiness in my opinion. I am greedy but I live a good life compared to a lot of people, do the things I want to do.
WHY?
Because I know a lot of people and there is always a shilling to be earned. If corruption was completely eradicated from the UK I would leave
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