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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 3:43 pm
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Hey, everyone. I'm Zach, the guy who wrote the poker tells book they're giving away. Interesting stories; enjoyed reading them. What strikes me the most is that English people tell much more entertaining stories than Americans do.
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 3:45 pm
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zachelwood wrote:
Hey, everyone. I'm Zach, the guy who wrote the poker tells book they're giving away. Interesting stories; enjoyed reading them. What strikes me the most is that English people tell much more entertaining stories than Americans do.


hi Zachelwood, could do with one of your books to learn about tells. I know nothing about them and this would be a great start.

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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 9:30 pm
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Fella at my work has a really cool double bluff tell..he has a glass eye..so when he has a hand(or when we think he has it) he takes his eye out holds it above his head and states "eye raise")

Being the tightest player ever thiis is usually followed by 5 folds (play 6 handed)..just recently he's beeen doing this a lot ..fold fold fold now hes showing one card maybe a 2 or 3 ..he's got us bang at it now. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:05 pm
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This is Zach, the author of Reading Poker Tells. I'm going to pick three of the six winners right now, then we'll wait a few more days to pick the last three. Kind of arbitrary, but I tried to pick the ones I thought had the most general practicality or would be the most applicable to a wide variety of players.

barmy badger: I'm picking the post by "barmy badger" about the player who stopped eating chips when he was bluffing. While stillness and silence are general tells for bluffers, a lot of players (especially the better ones) are consistently still and silent no matter what they hold. The important part of barmy badger's story is that he had correlated the behavior of this player in previous hands. The opponent had been eating chips as a baseline behavior in other pots and then, in this particular pot, stopped eating. (Of course, he could have just stopped being hungry.) I tend to study players after they bet (what I call post-bet behavior) and look for how they act in spots where they're strong and spots where they're weak. Some players will tend to be much more still in their arms, hands, fingers, or facial movements when bluffing of vulnerable versus when they're betting for obvious value. Of course, this is not true for everyone, so that's why the observation and the correlation are important before you act on this kind of information.

rigsby: I'm picking the post by "rigsby" about the player who announced he was "ready to go home" after pushing all-in. This is an example of a type of verbal statement that I call a "disclaimer"; when someone tries to explain away the meaning of something they do (in other words, they are "disclaiming" the meaning of an action). This one's a tad obvious, though, as most semi-experienced players are aware of what it means when a bad player says it, so it's of limited usefulness because players can use it as a reverse tell against decent competition, as The Reverend pointed out in his post. But there are other more subtle examples of disclaimers you can hear. One example I put in my book was when a player says something like "Everyone's raising so I'll raise too!" and raises. He's implying that he's only raising because of the general aggression level of the table, so usually the truth will be that he's actually got a good hand. Another example you can sometimes hear is when someone asks "why'd you bet so much?" and the player responds "hey, there's a lot of money in there. I'll take it down now if I can." Of course, being verbal statements and consciously controlled, you have to be careful with these; the more experienced a player is, the more likely these can be falsified. I tend to only look for these types of tells from inexperienced players.

CaptainGee: I'm picking the post by "CaptainGee" about his observations of chips being pushed in versus someone just announcing that they are betting or raising. I picked this one because it's not something I ordinarily think about, nor did I mention it in my book. I haven't seen much correlation myself with these things, but I also haven't looked much for that kind of information lately. So I picked this one because it reminded me of something new I can look for in the near future.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:16 pm
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Thank you Zach.

Barmy B, Rigsby and Capt G please email your postal addresses to joe@thehendonmob.com to get your free copy of Reading Poker Tells.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:24 pm
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cheers Zachelwood Very Happy

info sent, cheers guys
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:58 pm
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thanks

looking forward to reading it
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:36 pm
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I mainly play in pub poker games as with a young family and living in the sticks it is hard to get the time to go to casino's. Therefore the standard does tend to be worse and at times the tells more obvious.

You always seem to have a couple of calling stations who when they actually hit a hand suddenly can't wait to get their chips in the middle.

I remember once when against semi regular player I flopped a full house, and I bet out being sure he would call with any two cards, which he did, and I bet (bigger obviously) out again on the turn and he called and then suddenly the board paired on the river (making a higher full house very possible) and he was suddenly all in a rush to get his chips in almost forgetting to let me act first.

I checked and he went all in, I opened folded my full house while telling him his full house had won.

Thankfully he did show his hand else he could have made me look like an idiot and I normally don't need any help with that.

I can also recall one of my first games in the current pub when we were down to the bubble I believe and a very drunk guy showed his cards to a watcher behind him just before I was due to act, I was quite short and had a pretty good hand and had been intending to go all in, but just one look on the person's face behind was enough to get me to fold to his Aces.

I do also feel that sometimes the tells get into your head without you realising and you just get a gut feeling that calling a big bet or something is the correct decision, or it could just be the chinese i had for lunch.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:32 pm
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Hi all.
I play at G Casino Luton as its close to where I live.
Its a bit of a fish tank but actions action.
I do have a few tells on different players but one sticks out.
Older gent, Italian, looks like he plays for fun and money is not what he is there for likes a chat and never has a bad word for anyone..
Winning with any ace is why he is there.
I have worked out how to exploit this chap who plays any A to the river if there is one on board.
If an A hits he will check call irrespective of any factor bar 1.
If the bet is 1/2 pot or less on every Street its check call all the way. Flushing? Straightening? Double paired it does not matter. Check call check call to show down.
He does on occasion win nice pots with his play hitting 2 pair the invisible house etc. And he is so proud of himself.
But his weakness. These chaps here in Luton love to slow play and seldom bet more than 1/2 pot to keep people like the Italian in to the river.If you are on the pot with this chap and down comes an A all you have to do is bet greater than 1/2 pot and he folds. EVERY TIME.
I have won so many pots its untrue. If he acts before me and does his usual limp (Never raises an A either AK included.) Pocket pairs etc get a raise. So 90% he has an A with an unknown kicker.
I will limp in every time with ANY 2. If an A comes down I bet 1/2 pot if checked to me. If there is a raise I usually call as its usually a min raise or drop out. If Italian calls and we are heads up I have him. I bet 1/2 pot on the flop. 1/2 pot on the turn. Call call every time. River card comes down he will check ALWAYS, I then bet 3/4 of pot or more and he folds. I have done this so many times. I don't always wait till the river as he will catch 2 pair and if we get to showdown I'm caught with my hand in the cookie jar so to speak.
The few times, and there aren't many, he calls more than 1/2 pot I shut down and at the river say yea nice ace second pair no good or similar and he shows his ace.
So he will always call 1/2 pot And will ALWAYS fold to anything larger. So If I have a good A I will almost always get paid. If I have nothing I will get a fold on the turn 99% of the time. Yes he hits the nuts now and again and I have to fold my bluff or he occasionally has me beat if we get to the river and I am looking for value Smile.
But I know this. He will pay all the way with any A and I try to exploit this every time I'm in the pot with him. I don't always win but over the course of a 4 or 5 tournies I make a lot more from him than I loose by a huge amount.
A few times when I have been moved table and low stacked I've been moved to his table. Almost every time I'm back in the game Wink
I do hope he lives to a very old age and does not give up poker. Smile
Look for these patterns in older people they are usually creatures of habit as they have been playing poker longer than some of us have been around Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:00 am
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Two stories, first one was an obvious tell but highlights a good reason to keep your eyes on your opponent! I notice that lots of people that I play with at the pub or casino, won't look at the other players they're in pots against. Even I don't sometimes but only because sudden eye contact can freak me out Embarassed

In a pub game, middle of the tournament but heads-up with the guy on my left and i'm having doubts about the 3rd barrel i'm about to fire on the river. I'm on a stone cold bluff at this point. I stack the chips for the bet without looking, instead, I discretely look to my left and see my opponent look to the heavens either praying that I don't bet or asking the gods why his card didn't come on the river. I stick in a halfpot bet, he grumbles and folds Very Happy


I guess this next one counts as a tell. Playing the weekly tourney at a club and it's the last hand before the break. I'm on the button and everyone folds to go off for their fag break except the cut-off who minraises. I'm holding 6's and I reraise him (SB and BB fold). I'm happy to race but i'd rather take it here and not get any more action as he's a tight player but is capable of a steal. He shoves and immediately arranges his cards like he's on a LNP TV table. I'm worried he has a bigger pair (even 7's would have me done) but as i'm watching him, he double checks his hand but only looks at one card. I thought it likely to be an ace meaning he doesn't have a pair so I call. He flips over his lonely overcard A with a 5 which doesn't hit Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:58 pm
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Arrived home today to find the book in my mailbox

cheers guys, look forward to reading it
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:21 pm
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Recent Hand in Flamingo (Las Vegas).

1/2 NL Cash game - I raise to 15$ with AKs from UTG+2 and the SB flat calls. BB & UTG limper folds.
Flop comes Q72 Rainbow - so I C Bet for $25, and SB calls. Turn comes a 2, we both Check. River turns a 10 (no flush) and SB bets out $40 and starts to breathe very heavily, heart is racing and he looks uncomfortable. But not in the excited I've got a massive hand sort of way.

I ponder and start counting out re-raises to the tune of $70 - $110 Total (SB has approx. $110 back after his raise). His heart races faster and he can't look at me, so I do what every good man does in that spot and bluff raise the river for $70 more.

SB sweats, his heart pounds and he nearly has a coronary (I am not joking) during 5 whole minutes of consideration before making a 'hero' call with absolutely no idea whether he's good or not. (he rivered the 10 having called J10os on the flop).

The first breathe of relief when he realises hes won the hand was very funny - 5 minutes later the adrenaline is still running through him. 90 minutes later he leaves the table not playing another single hand against me!

Seems more of a bad beat story to me - however the river bluff all stemed from the tell where I read him as weak. It didn't work in this instance but the play/tell was very sound. The only trick I missed was not talking to him during the hand which probably would have tipped it my way.

I think this is a widely understood tell - however its very important to tie this tell to the other information you have and not to confuse with the really has a monster tell when the adrenaline is rushing.
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