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Rigsby
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 Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:24 pm
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How on earth should this case last 5 days
i will stick my neck out and say it's clear Terry will be found not guilty
of course this does not mean he is innocent
but Anton will come out of it with no credit either
what a luxury life barristers and judges have as well as prima dona footballers |
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darrensprengers
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:35 pm
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its not terry vs ferdinand
it the dps (or regina) vs terry.
This is a criminal matter and they will be asked to give evidence and subpoenas will be issued to make sure "justice" is done. Argue about the legal system not the two individuals as it has little to do with them at this point except to give evidence.
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:38 pm
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| It's an interesting question for me. My opinion is if you're trying to hurt someone you use what works. Otherwise you're just flirting. In a fight you go for the balls and eyes, in a longer fight you attack their family and friends, and you always get in their head and target their beliefs and destabilise their reality. It's almost always appropriate to use racial abuse when fighting black people, because they've been culturally softened to it, and even if they're smart it's still a cheap attack worth trying. So I suppose I think Terry is probably guilty of a bullshit crime. I want him to be punished though because I don't like him and I think it would be funny. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:43 pm
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whatever way you look at it Mr Ferdinand has given evidence to the effect that if he thought terry had called him a black c**t on the pitch he would not be happy and would of reported it after the game, he only thinks he did call him a black c**t after watching footage on youtube, so bottom line is he is the prosecutions witness and he cant say that he heard Terry call him a black c**t
much ado about nothing as far as im concerned
i just wish i could take yanks to court for calling me a fooking retard online  |
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darrensprengers
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:50 pm
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| Rigsby wrote: | whatever way you look at it Mr Ferdinand has given evidence to the effect that if he thought terry had called him a black c**t on the pitch he would not be happy and would of reported it after the game, he only thinks he did call him a black c**t after watching footage on youtube, so bottom line is he is the prosecutions witness and he cant say that he heard Terry call him a black c**t
much ado about nothing as far as im concerned
i just wish i could take yanks to court for calling me a fooking retard online |
but you are not our legal system. it is not illegal to call someone a retard though perhaps should be. Youtube is hardly a definitive legal representation in court and they will use many sources including witnesses etc. the fact the DPS have made a case and gone through the prime facie hearing to show there is a case to answer means that a law has been transgressed and they feel they can prove it. Arguments about the validity of that law are entirely valid and interesting but as the law stands it is felt that at least for precedence it is useful.
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:02 pm
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i agree it will interesting to see the result, i am looking at it purely from a laymans view
and as i see it the case is already done and dusted, so i wonder why they are going to draw it out, to what point to prove? prove we still live in racist society, well everybody knows that, Terry is an idiot and has been for many a year and received his karma via two champs league finals, it will be interesting to see how the provocation pans out, but 5 days? |
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darrensprengers
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:13 pm
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| Rigsby wrote: | i agree it will interesting to see the result, i am looking at it purely from a laymans view
and as i see it the case is already done and dusted, so i wonder why they are going to draw it out, to what point to prove? prove we still live in racist society, well everybody knows that, Terry is an idiot and has been for many a year and received his karma via two champs league finals, it will be interesting to see how the provocation pans out, but 5 days? |
Its all about procedure and solicitors are kings of drawing things out for some perceived benefit. a barrister is more for audience in higher courts though i guess the money these guys are on they will not be beyond spending exorbitant fees for specialist advice.
5 days will be an estimate and probably include the deliberation and sentencing. 5 day trial to me would immediately make me think that one or both parties are seeking to use a huge amount of case law/statutes on many legal and tort issues. The DPS will then have to construct a team capable of arguing. it is higher expensive for the defendant and i would think his legal team will be the ones driving its expense. At this point ferdinand cannot withdraw his testimony without potentially contempt of court issues, this not being america after all.
It is safe to safe that if Terry does not get off then the evidence was overwhelming to say the least. In the same way an innocent verdict means nothing in the great scheme of things.
As in all of these things i have believed that they should have to directly quote sizable portions of the ratio decidendi or obiter dicta in any paper reporting or purporting an opinion on the outcome of any case. i think sadly, as is so often true, very little factual information is made widely visable, even though they are all clearly availale in the all england law reports.
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:27 pm
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personally i have not bought a newspaper for 5 years at least and it was only by chance that i caught the story this morning when i signed onto my pc, i was just going on the evidence anton has given in the court this morning
if i bought a paper everyday for the last two months then i would expect chelsea to have somewhere in the region of 20 new signings come the start of the season, and city and utd and spurs 
but i do live in a secluded world only recently got a tv for the euros and olympics
i wonder what i have been missing  |
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:08 pm
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| Quote: | Terry allegedly called Ferdinand "a f****** black c***" after being mocked over his much-publicised affair with Wayne Bridge's girlfriend during the latter's spell at Chelsea.
The 31-year-old is appearing in court charged with a racially aggravated public order offence during a Premier League game in October of last year at Loftus Road.
The court heard that the pair traded insults during the match but the Chelsea captain insists he was only sarcastically repeating racist obscenities that Ferdinand wrongly thought he had used.
The prosecution opened their case by saying: "The Crown's case is that the words were abusive and insulting in a straightforward sense.
"They were uttered by the defendant in response to goading by Mr Ferdinand on the issue of his extra-marital affair, rather than by way of exaggerated and instant querying of a perceived false allegation.
"The Crown alleges that the defendant, most probably in response to physical gestures being made by Mr Ferdinand which the defendant understood to refer to the well-publicised allegation of an extra-marital affair with a team-mate's wife, shouted at Mr Ferdinand.
"They were uttered by the defendant in response to goading by Mr Ferdinand on the issue of his extra-marital affair, rather than by way of exaggerated and instant querying of a perceived false allegation."
Terry was allowed to view footage of the alleged incident and footage, including previously unbroadcast pictures, which were also shown to the court.
Meanwhile, the court was also told that Chelsea team-mates Ashley Cole and John Obi Mikel were in the vicinity of the alleged incident, but will not be called up as witnesses for the prosecution.
After the incident had taken place Terry gave a statement to the Football Association saying the taunts about his alleged extra-marital affair did not bother him as: "it's not the first time I've heard it, so it's with a pinch of salt a little bit now".
He also said that: “We're still having a, sort of, ding-dong, if you like” but added that “I take quite a strong offence” at the allegation of racial abuse.
In a statement to police in November, Terry also said: "Whilst footballers are used to industrial language, using racist terms is completely unacceptable whatever [the] situation.
"I was completely taken aback by this remark as I have never been accused of something like that and I did not take his remark lightly at all, and took strong offence to his suggestion."
If convicted, Terry faces a maximum penalty of a £2,500 fine for an offence that has already seen him lose the England armband, an episode that directly led to the resignation of Fabio Capello.
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not exactly the OJ simpson trial is it
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:11 pm
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and OJ was innocent too  |
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:17 pm
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| Rigsby wrote: | | and OJ was innocent too |
if the gloves don't fit you must acquit. Law reduced to soundbites. Doing life now though so maybe justice got there in the end. 
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:23 pm
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| Terry asked him: "Do you think I called you a f****** black c***?" Ferdinand said he did not think that as he had not heard any such remark. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:05 pm
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Given the apparent legal position, aren't people censoring the wrong words in the phrase in question?
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:33 pm
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Terry will get off! and the only loser will be the tax payer as we will be footing a 5 day trial bill!
i say the following: Jon Terry is a honky mutha
so sue me!
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:52 pm
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Lately I've been using Jew a lot as an insult, whenever anyone or anything pisses me off. Can easily be used adjectivally too: 'Jewy'.
Vary it up, basically. Keep things interesting. |
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