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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:39 pm
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WBPP wrote:
Shame some people on here weren't as outspoken re the crooks.



Can you be more specific? I personally didn't know anything. Sorry.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:43 pm
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Well it's the usual veiled aggro or sarchasm towards someone from WBPP, despite bravely hiding behind anonymity.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:26 pm
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It may be easy for me to talk because I didn't lose anything when FTP went belly up but Doyle's response seems to make more sense to me. It is difficult to say who knew what but in situations like these then things are a hell of a lot more complex than people think as a rule and are certainly not black and white.

But as Doyle said.......time will tell us many things.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:39 pm
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It may be easy for me to talk because I didn't lose anything when FTP went belly up but Doyle's response seems to make more sense to me. It is difficult to say who knew what but in situations like these then things are a hell of a lot more complex than people think as a rule and are certainly not black and white.

But as Doyle said.......time will tell us many things.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:04 pm
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Doyleism of the Day: "When You Are Up Your Friends Know Who You Are, When You Are Down You Know Who Your Friends Are."

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-blogs...-your-friends-are

Interesting opinions.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:46 pm
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i think Doyle is talking out of his 10gallon hat on this one tbh

Im not a lederer hater at all,in fact Lederer was the person i first remember/saw talking about and teaching pot odds/drawing odds.Was some programme yrs ago.i remember going on my internet and getting a printout of his odds chart and poker becoming something more than just a game to me.

But i truelly believe (right or wrong i might be) that Howard and Chris both knew exactly what the situation was/is at FTP at the moment of the crash and long b4 it too.

His silence is proving that.


If your name was being dragged through the mud daily would u not at least once give some sort of interview to just say something like this >

"i am not allowed to talk about any of the ins and outs of this case but i assure you all i am innocent of all accusations"
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:32 pm
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uh-hu wrote:
i think Doyle is talking out of his 10gallon hat on this one tbh

Im not a lederer hater at all,in fact Lederer was the person i first remember/saw talking about and teaching pot odds/drawing odds.Was some programme yrs ago.i remember going on my internet and getting a printout of his odds chart and poker becoming something more than just a game to me.

But i truelly believe (right or wrong i might be) that Howard and Chris both knew exactly what the situation was/is at FTP at the moment of the crash and long b4 it too.

His silence is proving that.


If your name was being dragged through the mud daily would u not at least once give some sort of interview to just say something like this >

"i am not allowed to talk about any of the ins and outs of this case but i assure you all i am innocent of all accusations"




Struggling to see the logic of your post.......you think Doyle is talking out of his arse and then freely admit that you could be totally wrong Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:55 pm
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The Dean wrote:
uh-hu wrote:
i think Doyle is talking out of his 10gallon hat on this one tbh

Im not a lederer hater at all,in fact Lederer was the person i first remember/saw talking about and teaching pot odds/drawing odds.Was some programme yrs ago.i remember going on my internet and getting a printout of his odds chart and poker becoming something more than just a game to me.

But i truelly believe (right or wrong i might be) that Howard and Chris both knew exactly what the situation was/is at FTP at the moment of the crash and long b4 it too.

His silence is proving that.


If your name was being dragged through the mud daily would u not at least once give some sort of interview to just say something like this >

"i am not allowed to talk about any of the ins and outs of this case but i assure you all i am innocent of all accusations"




Struggling to see the logic of your post.......you think Doyle is talking out of his arse and then freely admit that you could be totally wrong Shocked


yes what im saying and what Doyle said are different things.

Doyle reckons lederer had no idea about daily dealings of the company which is garbage. (cos he looked me in the eye) poker players never bluff do they? lol

lederer and ferguson are major share holders/owners/board members and for Doyle to say they were oblivious to all that was going in is pure rubbish even someone who hasn't read 1 line about the scandal in recent months would doubt this.


the verdict isn't in on this yet so i used "right or wrong" cos im not a judge but if someone calls me a crook for 10months and bad mouths me to millions of people for 10months i will make some sort of reply to make sure people know there's 2 sides to the story

Howard blanked reporters who caught up with him coming out of a vegas steakhouse a while ago. they asked him had he/fulltilt any comments on the situation and his reply was
"ill/we'll reply when we're ready"

that was a perfect time to just say "sorry to all our loyal customers for this major blunder i'm not a crook" but no he smiled and got into his 100k car drove off.


do you not think its strange that no one has had a proper conversation with ferguson/lederer on these matters in 10months???
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:32 pm
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lederer and ferguson are major share holders/owners/board members and for Doyle to say they were oblivious to all that was going in is pure rubbish even someone who hasn't read 1 line about the scandal in recent months would doubt this.


There is just too much supposition in my opinion from too many different people much of which is biased because they have lost money or for other reasons.


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the verdict isn't in on this yet so i used "right or wrong" cos im not a judge but if someone calls me a crook for 10months and bad mouths me to millions of people for 10months i will make some sort of reply to make sure people know there's 2 sides to the story


Of course you would......and so would I.....but thats the point because innocent or guilty or whatever variation inbetween then the natural reaction is to make a detailed thought out response. It is also the easiest thing in the world to do in the internet era and Lederer and co could easily have placed a statement on 2+2 without any fear of having to get drawn into slanging wars, physical harm etc. The fact that they didn't take this easy option leads me to think that there has to be reasons why they cannot do it irrespective of what Daniel says. The reasons are probably legal but don't ask me what.....I am no solicitor.

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Howard blanked reporters who caught up with him coming out of a vegas steakhouse a while ago. they asked him had he/fulltilt any comments on the situation and his reply was
"ill/we'll reply when we're ready"


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that was a perfect time to just say "sorry to all our loyal customers for this major blunder i'm not a crook" but no he smiled and got into his 100k car drove off.


Don't see how having a 100k car is relevant, what do you expect him to do......sell all his assets and possessions because his company went to the wall.

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do you not think its strange that no one has had a proper conversation with ferguson/lederer on these matters in 10months???


They almost certainly have......it just hasn't been made public yet.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:12 pm
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DropTheHammer wrote:
Well it's the usual veiled aggro or sarchasm towards someone from WBPP, despite bravely hiding behind anonymity.



Is he another poster?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:02 pm
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MODS, leave my thread titles alone. I don't come round yours and open your personal post, do I?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:07 pm
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no, but when people are starting new threads cause they don't know something is being talked about in another one I'm going to go ahead and keep merging and renaming

what's wrong with it anyway?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:12 pm
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Grumbledook wrote:
no, but when people are starting new threads cause they don't know something is being talked about in another one I'm going to go ahead and keep merging and renaming

what's wrong with it anyway?


Mr. Green ROFL
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:12 am
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I think it was pretty ill-judged for Doyle to say what he did, why he would want (or see reason) to defend them is beyond me.

I agree we don't fully know the facts but what we do know is that at the very best Lederer and Ferguson are scum bags for the way they have acted afterwards - and that is best case scenario, it is more than likely they were fully aware of what was going on.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:15 am
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I'm guessing their silence is because of some lawyer potentially taking it out of context to use against them. Anything anyone says can be misconstrued because of context or inflection, looks very different in black and white, or being read eloquently in court. It's hard remembering the banter you had with your mates last night, imagine the amount of people who would ask them questions, ducking them would be analysed one way, answering them another, I guess nothing will be heard in public 'til they're under oath.
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