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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:41 am Post subject: Re: *^* The Official Balotelli thread *^*
darrensprengers wrote:
most normal people would rather kompany got sent off than allow the the disgusting elbow by lescott or the insane balotelli head stamp. or the rooney elbow. or the eye gouge. ed you seriously need to look at yourself. i know you have never played football and got an elbow or understand physics by the sound of it but arguing which is worse is not important. they are all red cards. the kompany one was a red f**king card. harsh but still a red. to try and justify that marginal decision by saying baletolli getting to stamp on an opponents head and lescott has got away with a horrific dangerous elbow shows you in a horrendous light. You are a good guy and i suggest you not just jump on the shitty bandwagon of fans and try and apply reason. saying rooney got away with a another red card that was not as bad but still a red card for intent is just embarrassing.
Just for the record, I am only defending the injustice of Kompany I have not defended either Lescott or Balotelli. Even Liverpool fans agree on Kompany or is that because they are anti United? The Rooney clip was my attempt at humour. (obviously didn't work)
"I know you have not played football" You have lost the plot on that one, what are you talking about, didn't you think I was any good? Although the ball was a lot harder in those days.
Anyway back to Balotelli, he stamped on Parker, he gets a ban, we move on.
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: *^* The Official Balotelli thread *^*
Indy, just because I personally don't think Kompany was harshly red carded, you can't use the term 'even Liverpool fans don't think he should be sent off, as I can't speak for all of them
Enough has been said on the Kompany challenge, but I still stand by my comment that I didn't think it was reckless / dangerous etc, yes he has gone in with 2 feet (but the law doesn't outlaw 2 footed challenges) and IMO he almost sits down into the challenge, so it is hardly excessive force (which is the law they judge it on). On the other side, is the video evidence enough to clear Kompany and overule an obvious referee mistake. This is the key question for the PL, who to be fair don't want to undermine referees, so I suppose I can see why some see it as a red card.
I accept that referees will be inconsistant on the field of play and make different decisions from week to week depending on the players / teams involved. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I don't with this type of approach. What I find hard to comprehend is when the PL / FA / UEFA / FIFA make inconsistant decisions with the benefit of video evidence.
I am a big supporter of using video evidence to fine & ban the players who carry out the nasty incidents on the field of play, whether cheating, fouling or violent conduct and it should be relatively simple. There should not be as many inconsistancies as we see throughout a season.
For example, Mario clearly stamps out at Parker, so he is charged (fair enough). Lescott thrusts his forearm into Kaboul and Webb clears him on video evidence (mmmmm not so sure about this decision and I wonder if Webb let it go as he had already collered Mario).
This is clearly incorrect thinking by Webb (if this is the case). He has to rule each individual case on its own merit.
Peter Crouch has now been cleared by the PL. Unbelievable, he is clearly angry and rakes at the opposing players face. If the referee sees this in normal time, they normally always send of the player for raising their hand into the opponents face (and the PL never backs down on appeal from what I can remember).
We also have this 'silly' rule that if the referee books a player for a bad challenge (or ignores it as they perceive it as ok), the PL won't bother looking at it. I cite the Lampard and Johnson incidents in recent weeks which got a lot of press. Note I am sure the FA did charge a player a couple of years ago who was yellowed carded for a shocker of a challenge (can't remember who though).
A bad one was when Alan Shearer kicked Neil Lennon in the head, but the PL didn't find any issue with it (after reviewing video evidence). There are enough conspiracy theories out there on why he was let off, but there are hundreds more over the years when it has been totally obvious, that certain players have had more leeway then others (and for the record I include a number of Liverpool players in this list).
It is no wonder the fans get upset and cite numerous other incidents of inconsistancies by the ruling bodies, when there are so many to choose from.
Have certain individuals on the field of play, or at clubs, or at any of the ruling bodies 'curried' favour with others.....Yes of course, anytime there is money and power involved, leverage will always be sought and used. No industry is clean of corruption, no matter how many of the 'good' people try to stamp it out.
I only hope it is not as widespread as some fear and that the majority of the football world is honest, because it is a fantastic game.
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: *^* The Official Balotelli thread *^*
Yeah the Rodwell was a fair challenge IMO, but I have also read some people saying it was a red card because he ran in at pace and used excessive force - it is subjective. I think Jay Spearing was unlucky to be sent of at Fulham, but I can see why he was.
Said before that every player has to think twice before making a challenge where they slide in / lunge / use 2 feet etc as you are giving the ref a reason to send you off. This is not doing yourself or your club a favour.
I don't like how the game is turning into almost non contact as we have these powerful athletics, built like super middleweight boxers, rolling around in agony at the slightest touch, but that is another story.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: *^* The Official Balotelli thread *^*
Grumbledook wrote:
rodwell had a red card rescinded so it does happen
kompany's was not an injustice, plenty of players have been sent off for less and others get off scott free for worse
everyone knows you dive in with 2 feet and you run that risk
I can understand how Spurs fans feel, they lost as a player that should have been sent off scored the winning goal. For City we lost to United as our captain and best defender was incorrectly sent off. I am sure that Spurs fans feel the same injustice that City fans feel.
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:36 pm Post subject: Re: *^* The Official Balotelli thread *^*
the penalty newcastle were awarded to get a draw vs utd earlier in the season was more of an "injustice"
kompany being sent off is a grey area and can be argued both ways, ergo not even close to an injustice, it was a marginal decision that went against you
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: *^* The Official Balotelli thread *^*
Come the end of season, the biggest injustice for Man City could be our last minute offside winner vs them _________________ Not surprised Xavi's been replaced. His pass completion rate was only 89%. Useless.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:28 pm Post subject: Re: *^* The Official Balotelli thread *^*
Grumbledook wrote:
the penalty newcastle were awarded to get a draw vs utd earlier in the season was more of an "injustice"
kompany being sent off is a grey area and can be argued both ways, ergo not even close to an injustice, it was a marginal decision that went against you
So now you are saying an offside goal is as much an injustice as a four match ban and getting knocked out of the FA Cup?
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Unbelievable, he is clearly angry and rakes at the opposing players face. If the referee sees this in normal time, they normally always send of the player for raising their hand into the opponents face (and the PL never backs down on appeal from what I can remember).
