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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2003 8:54 pm
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cheers for the explanation d, i would never dream of asking to see someones cards in a live game in case they had "passed" the winning hand in error. i understand collusion in he games but it must be near impossible in omaha games as peoples "starting requirements" vary so much. i wouldnt consider calling a potsize checkraise preflop with just one suited ace and rags if i was certain the other player had aaxx. this happened to me last week when g jones called my checkraise with what i said at the time was " a bag of *******s". when his lone suited ace flopped the nut flush and scooped a rather large pot i was more upset with his call than my play. the nuggett imo is one of the top omaha players in the country (if not europe) and i took it as him classing me as a "fish", especialy when he said he didnt KNOW i had aces.

--Previous Message--

: I'm happy with the pre-flop re-raise. On the flop I must have thought that I
: was only betting into two people. That's what I recall thinking. I don't think I
: would have done it if I'd realised that there were three. It's one thing to
: think that 2 people will fold but it's 'optimistic' to think that three will
: drop. As it is, betting into two people is fairly reckless.
:
: Separately,
:
: I must stress that hand histories don't show the cards of people who have
: folded. Nobody has folded in this hand! What is confusing is the use of the
: words 'mucks hand' which means that they scuttled their cards on the showdown at
: the river AFTER I've shown mine.
:
: In a live game you have the right to see the hands of all people who are still
: in at the end. It's rarely done as it poisons the atmosphere, but you have the
: right to check whether there was something fishy for example.
:
: The fact that you can request hand histories easily in online poker makes it
: possible for players to refer anything suspicious to the site. I did this once
: when I saw someone make a strange raise pre-flop in limit hold'em that seemed to
: make sense at all except to build up the pot. I wrote to Roy Cooke who
: supervises Planet Poker and he wrote back later to say that while it did look
: strange, he didn't think that they were colluding having seen them both drawing
: to the same flush in other hands.
:
: DY
:
:
:
:
: u got very lucky on this hand but imo u didnt play it that badly. i regularly
: raise or reraise on this type of hand because most people will then put me on
: aces and when i "miss" the flop they will pay me off. in a pot with multiway
: action i would prefer your hand to aces suited as it is likely at least one
: or 2 of the aces has already gone reducing the chances of catching a favourable
: flop for my aajt.i know dave adores his aaxx and finds it difficult to release
: his
: : hand on the flop in question but i still like your hand on the flop. i must
: say
: : i would probably have played the hand in a similar way to yourself postflop:
: hoping to get rid of people who have completely missed and knowing even if i
: get
: : called i have enough "outs" to the nuts or a probable winning str8. what
: does
: : surprise me in this scenario is the fact the hand history shows the hands u
: were
: : up against even though they folded.is this common? when i miss a monster
: draw i: would prefer the opponent not to know my cards. i am glad i rarely play
: online
: : if this is common as it must give u an edge in player profiling etc. i know
: for
: : certain bigdd will disagree with my opinions on omaha but i consider it my
: : strongest game and my records over the last 12 months confirm this.
: :
: : --Previous Message--
: :
: : : This was one of the best feelings I've had in a while. I tried to be
: : deceptive
: : : pre-flop, painted myself into a corner on the flop, missed all my
: straight
: : draws
: : : and then find I was in front on the flop with middle pair and rubbish
: : kickers!
: : :
: : :
: : : Transcript for game #116955080 requested by DavidYoung
: : : *********** # 1 **************
: : : PokerStars Game #116955080: Omaha Pot Limit ($2/$4) - 2003/09/12 -
: : 12:30:43
: : : (EST)
: : : Table 'Bootes' Seat #2 is the button
: : : Seat 1: cool15 ($179.35 in chips)
: : : Seat 2: B Nick ($102.80 in chips)
: : : Seat 3: DavidYoung ($300.90 in chips)
: : : Seat 4: hoomer1 ($72 in chips)
: : : Seat 5: mazmaz ($710.40 in chips)
: : : Seat 6: milly ($447.20 in chips)
: : : Seat 7: Broke Style ($392 in chips)
: : : Seat 8: janporsche ($105.10 in chips)
: : : Seat 9: rounders3 ($250.20 in chips)
: : : DavidYoung: posts small blind $2
: : : hoomer1: posts big blind $4
: : : *** HOLE CARDS ***
: : : Dealt to DavidYoung [8h Ts 7h 9c]
: : : mazmaz: raises $10 to $14
: : : milly: calls $14
: : : Broke Style: folds
: : : janporsche: folds
: : : rounders3: folds
: : : cool15: folds
: : : B Nick: calls $14
: : : DavidYoung: raises $22 to $36
: : : hoomer1: folds
: : : mazmaz: calls $22
: : : milly: calls $22
: : : B Nick: calls $22
: : : *** FLOP *** [6s Tc Qs]
: : : DavidYoung: bets $116
: : : mazmaz: raises $377 to $493
: : : milly: folds
: : : B Nick: calls $66.80 and is all-in
: : : DavidYoung: calls $148.90 and is all-in
: : : *** TURN *** [6s Tc Qs] [3d]
: : : *** RIVER *** [6s Tc Qs 3d] [Qc]
: : : *** SHOW DOWN ***
: : : DavidYoung: shows [8h Ts 7h 9c] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
: : : mazmaz: mucks hand
: : : DavidYoung collected $396.20 from side pot
: : : B Nick: mucks hand
: : : DavidYoung collected $345.40 from main pot
: : : *** SUMMARY ***
: : : Total pot $744.60 Main pot $345.40. Side pot $396.20. | Rake $3
: : : Board [6s Tc Qs 3d Qc]
: : : Seat 1: cool15 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
: : : Seat 2: B Nick (button) mucked [Ks Jd Ah 3h] - two pair, Queens and
: Threes
: : : Seat 3: DavidYoung (small blind) showed [8h Ts 7h 9c] and won ($741.60)
: : with
: : : two pair, Queens and Tens
: : : Seat 4: hoomer1 (big blind) folded before Flop
: : : Seat 5: mazmaz mucked [7c 5s As 6c] - two pair, Queens and Sixes
: : : Seat 6: milly folded on the Flop
: : : Seat 7: Broke Style folded before Flop (didn't bet)
: : : Seat 8: janporsche folded before Flop (didn't bet)
: : : Seat 9: rounders3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
: : :
: : : If you have any questions, please contact us at support@pokerstars.com
Big Dave D
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2003 11:57 pm
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"iously the thoug"

just thought i would take something you said out of context also.

dd

--Previous Message--

: It's hard to take seriously the thoughts of a player who says that
: check-raising is bad play.
:
: --Previous Message--
:
: : : I make no claim to have covered myself in glory in this hand. I fell in
: : love
: : : with the idea of putting in an out-of-position pre-flop re-raise with a
: : hand
: : : other than aces for deception purposes.
: :
: : Yum!
: :
: : I don't have much on the flop but I
: : : thought that a bet might have a 50 per cent chance of dislodging the
: : opponents.
: : :
: :
: : Yum! Yum! You've pretended you have Aces and you bet into three opponents
: who
: : clearly have high cards, from the action, on a flop that looks to have
: missed
: : aces, and you think its 50% they will pass! Your maths needs some work.
: :
: : dd
: :
:
: Post Edited (13/9/2003, 9:39 pm)


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Big Dave D
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 12:00 am
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Your views on my play and gareths shows that either youve played with me less than u think, or that you werent playing close attention. Ask someone that knows, like shaf, Stoke Geoff or kenny riley.

anyway, i only dropped in to wind up DY...gl

dd

--Previous Message--

: cheers for the explanation d, i would never dream of asking to see someones
: cards in a live game in case they had "passed" the winning hand in error. i
: understand collusion in he games but it must be near impossible in omaha games
: as peoples "starting requirements" vary so much. i wouldnt consider calling a
: potsize checkraise preflop with just one suited ace and rags if i was certain
: the other player had aaxx. this happened to me last week when g jones called my
: checkraise with what i said at the time was " a bag of *******s". when his lone
: suited ace flopped the nut flush and scooped a rather large pot i was more upset
: with his call than my play. the nuggett imo is one of the top omaha players in
: the country (if not europe) and i took it as him classing me as a "fish",
: especialy when he said he didnt KNOW i had aces.
:
: --Previous Message--
:
: : I'm happy with the pre-flop re-raise. On the flop I must have thought that
: I
: : was only betting into two people. That's what I recall thinking. I don't
: think I
: : would have done it if I'd realised that there were three. It's one thing to
: : think that 2 people will fold but it's 'optimistic' to think that three
: will
: : drop. As it is, betting into two people is fairly reckless.
: :
: : Separately,
: :
: : I must stress that hand histories don't show the cards of people who have
: : folded. Nobody has folded in this hand! What is confusing is the use of the
: : words 'mucks hand' which means that they scuttled their cards on the
: showdown at
: : the river AFTER I've shown mine.
: :
: : In a live game you have the right to see the hands of all people who are
: still
: : in at the end. It's rarely done as it poisons the atmosphere, but you have
: the
: : right to check whether there was something fishy for example.
: :
: : The fact that you can request hand histories easily in online poker makes
: it
: : possible for players to refer anything suspicious to the site. I did this
: once
: : when I saw someone make a strange raise pre-flop in limit hold'em that
: seemed to
: : make sense at all except to build up the pot. I wrote to Roy Cooke who
: : supervises Planet Poker and he wrote back later to say that while it did
: look
: : strange, he didn't think that they were colluding having seen them both
: drawing
: : to the same flush in other hands.
: :
: : DY
: :
: :
: :
: :
: : u got very lucky on this hand but imo u didnt play it that badly. i
: regularly
: : raise or reraise on this type of hand because most people will then put me
: on
: : aces and when i "miss" the flop they will pay me off. in a pot with
: multiway
: : action i would prefer your hand to aces suited as it is likely at least
: one
: : or 2 of the aces has already gone reducing the chances of catching a
: favourable
: : flop for my aajt.i know dave adores his aaxx and finds it difficult to
: release
: : his
: : : hand on the flop in question but i still like your hand on the flop. i
: must
: : say
: : : i would probably have played the hand in a similar way to yourself
: postflop:
: : hoping to get rid of people who have completely missed and knowing even if
: i
: : get
: : : called i have enough "outs" to the nuts or a probable winning str8. what
: : does
: : : surprise me in this scenario is the fact the hand history shows the hands
: u
: : were
: : : up against even though they folded.is this common? when i miss a monster
: : draw i: would prefer the opponent not to know my cards. i am glad i rarely
: play
: : online
: : : if this is common as it must give u an edge in player profiling etc. i
: know
: : for
: : : certain bigdd will disagree with my opinions on omaha but i consider it
: my
: : : strongest game and my records over the last 12 months confirm this.
: : :
: : : --Previous Message--
: : :
: : : : This was one of the best feelings I've had in a while. I tried to be
: : : deceptive
: : : : pre-flop, painted myself into a corner on the flop, missed all my
: : straight
: : : draws
: : : : and then find I was in front on the flop with middle pair and rubbish
: : : kickers!
: : : :
: : : :
: : : : Transcript for game #116955080 requested by DavidYoung
: : : : *********** # 1 **************
: : : : PokerStars Game #116955080: Omaha Pot Limit ($2/$4) - 2003/09/12 -
: : : 12:30:43
: : : : (EST)
: : : : Table 'Bootes' Seat #2 is the button
: : : : Seat 1: cool15 ($179.35 in chips)
: : : : Seat 2: B Nick ($102.80 in chips)
: : : : Seat 3: DavidYoung ($300.90 in chips)
: : : : Seat 4: hoomer1 ($72 in chips)
: : : : Seat 5: mazmaz ($710.40 in chips)
: : : : Seat 6: milly ($447.20 in chips)
: : : : Seat 7: Broke Style ($392 in chips)
: : : : Seat 8: janporsche ($105.10 in chips)
: : : : Seat 9: rounders3 ($250.20 in chips)
: : : : DavidYoung: posts small blind $2
: : : : hoomer1: posts big blind $4
: : : : *** HOLE CARDS ***
: : : : Dealt to DavidYoung [8h Ts 7h 9c]
: : : : mazmaz: raises $10 to $14
: : : : milly: calls $14
: : : : Broke Style: folds
: : : : janporsche: folds
: : : : rounders3: folds
: : : : cool15: folds
: : : : B Nick: calls $14
: : : : DavidYoung: raises $22 to $36
: : : : hoomer1: folds
: : : : mazmaz: calls $22
: : : : milly: calls $22
: : : : B Nick: calls $22
: : : : *** FLOP *** [6s Tc Qs]
: : : : DavidYoung: bets $116
: : : : mazmaz: raises $377 to $493
: : : : milly: folds
: : : : B Nick: calls $66.80 and is all-in
: : : : DavidYoung: calls $148.90 and is all-in
: : : : *** TURN *** [6s Tc Qs] [3d]
: : : : *** RIVER *** [6s Tc Qs 3d] [Qc]
: : : : *** SHOW DOWN ***
: : : : DavidYoung: shows [8h Ts 7h 9c] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
: : : : mazmaz: mucks hand
: : : : DavidYoung collected $396.20 from side pot
: : : : B Nick: mucks hand
: : : : DavidYoung collected $345.40 from main pot
: : : : *** SUMMARY ***
: : : : Total pot $744.60 Main pot $345.40. Side pot $396.20. | Rake $3
: : : : Board [6s Tc Qs 3d Qc]
: : : : Seat 1: cool15 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
: : : : Seat 2: B Nick (button) mucked [Ks Jd Ah 3h] - two pair, Queens and
: : Threes
: : : : Seat 3: DavidYoung (small blind) showed [8h Ts 7h 9c] and won ($741.60)
: : : with
: : : : two pair, Queens and Tens
: : : : Seat 4: hoomer1 (big blind) folded before Flop
: : : : Seat 5: mazmaz mucked [7c 5s As 6c] - two pair, Queens and Sixes
: : : : Seat 6: milly folded on the Flop
: : : : Seat 7: Broke Style folded before Flop (didn't bet)
: : : : Seat 8: janporsche folded before Flop (didn't bet)
: : : : Seat 9: rounders3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
: : : :
: : : : If you have any questions, please contact us at support@pokerstars.com


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 1:37 am
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I stand by that completely!

--Previous Message--

: "iously the thoug"
:
: just thought i would take something you said out of context also.
:
: dd
:
: --Previous Message--
:
: : It's hard to take seriously the thoughts of a player who says that
: : check-raising is bad play.
: :
: : --Previous Message--
: :
: : : : I make no claim to have covered myself in glory in this hand. I fell in
: : : love
: : : : with the idea of putting in an out-of-position pre-flop re-raise with a
: : : hand
: : : : other than aces for deception purposes.
: : :
: : : Yum!
: : :
: : : I don't have much on the flop but I
: : : : thought that a bet might have a 50 per cent chance of dislodging the
: : : opponents.
: : : :
: : :
: : : Yum! Yum! You've pretended you have Aces and you bet into three
: opponents
: : who
: : : clearly have high cards, from the action, on a flop that looks to have
: : missed
: : : aces, and you think its 50% they will pass! Your maths needs some work.
: : :
: : : dd
: : :
: :
: : Post Edited (13/9/2003, 9:39 pm)
:
Gareth "The Nugget" Jones
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 6:29 am
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Hi Russ

Sorry i beat your double aces with a single suited ace old chap but you didnt have much money in front of you and if id known you had aces i would of passed ! You must admit you have got previous its not like it was Big Dave D re raising now is it !!!!

However I thank you for your kind comments about my Omaha play some in Blackpool say ive been lucky for 12 years !!!!

You know Ill give it back to you Russell next time at Shifting Sands ! -Good Luck in Viva Las Vegas you guys- try and spread a Shifting Sands table they think 5 Card Omaha is WOW over there !!!!

Kind regards
The Nugget
--Previous Message--

: Your views on my play and gareths shows that either youve played with me less
: than u think, or that you werent playing close attention. Ask someone that
: knows, like shaf, Stoke Geoff or kenny riley.
:
: anyway, i only dropped in to wind up DY...gl
:
: dd
:
: --Previous Message--
:
: : cheers for the explanation d, i would never dream of asking to see someones
: : cards in a live game in case they had "passed" the winning hand in error. i
: : understand collusion in he games but it must be near impossible in omaha
: games
: : as peoples "starting requirements" vary so much. i wouldnt consider calling
: a
: : potsize checkraise preflop with just one suited ace and rags if i was
: certain
: : the other player had aaxx. this happened to me last week when g jones called
: my
: : checkraise with what i said at the time was " a bag of *******s". when his
: lone
: : suited ace flopped the nut flush and scooped a rather large pot i was more
: upset
: : with his call than my play. the nuggett imo is one of the top omaha players
: in
: : the country (if not europe) and i took it as him classing me as a "fish",
: : especialy when he said he didnt KNOW i had aces.
: :
: : --Previous Message--
: :
: : : I'm happy with the pre-flop re-raise. On the flop I must have thought
: that
: : I
: : : was only betting into two people. That's what I recall thinking. I don't
: : think I
: : : would have done it if I'd realised that there were three. It's one thing
: to
: : : think that 2 people will fold but it's 'optimistic' to think that three
: : will
: : : drop. As it is, betting into two people is fairly reckless.
: : :
: : : Separately,
: : :
: : : I must stress that hand histories don't show the cards of people who have
: : : folded. Nobody has folded in this hand! What is confusing is the use of
: the
: : : words 'mucks hand' which means that they scuttled their cards on the
: : showdown at
: : : the river AFTER I've shown mine.
: : :
: : : In a live game you have the right to see the hands of all people who are
: : still
: : : in at the end. It's rarely done as it poisons the atmosphere, but you
: have
: : the
: : : right to check whether there was something fishy for example.
: : :
: : : The fact that you can request hand histories easily in online poker makes
: : it
: : : possible for players to refer anything suspicious to the site. I did this
: : once
: : : when I saw someone make a strange raise pre-flop in limit hold'em that
: : seemed to
: : : make sense at all except to build up the pot. I wrote to Roy Cooke who
: : : supervises Planet Poker and he wrote back later to say that while it did
: : look
: : : strange, he didn't think that they were colluding having seen them both
: : drawing
: : : to the same flush in other hands.
: : :
: : : DY
: : :
: : :
: : :
: : :
: : : u got very lucky on this hand but imo u didnt play it that badly. i
: : regularly
: : : raise or reraise on this type of hand because most people will then put
: me
: : on
: : : aces and when i "miss" the flop they will pay me off. in a pot with
: : multiway
: : : action i would prefer your hand to aces suited as it is likely at least
: : one
: : : or 2 of the aces has already gone reducing the chances of catching a
: : favourable
: : : flop for my aajt.i know dave adores his aaxx and finds it difficult to
: : release
: : : his
: : : : hand on the flop in question but i still like your hand on the flop. i
: : must
: : : say
: : : : i would probably have played the hand in a similar way to yourself
: : postflop:
: : : hoping to get rid of people who have completely missed and knowing even
: if
: : i
: : : get
: : : : called i have enough "outs" to the nuts or a probable winning str8.
: what
: : : does
: : : : surprise me in this scenario is the fact the hand history shows the
: hands
: : u
: : : were
: : : : up against even though they folded.is this common? when i miss a
: monster
: : : draw i: would prefer the opponent not to know my cards. i am glad i
: rarely
: : play
: : : online
: : : : if this is common as it must give u an edge in player profiling etc. i
: : know
: : : for
: : : : certain bigdd will disagree with my opinions on omaha but i consider it
: : my
: : : : strongest game and my records over the last 12 months confirm this.
: : : :
: : : : --Previous Message--
: : : :
: : : : : This was one of the best feelings I've had in a while. I tried to be
: : : : deceptive
: : : : : pre-flop, painted myself into a corner on the flop, missed all my
: : : straight
: : : : draws
: : : : : and then find I was in front on the flop with middle pair and rubbish
: : : : kickers!
: : : : :
: : : : :
: : : : : Transcript for game #116955080 requested by DavidYoung
: : : : : *********** # 1 **************
: : : : : PokerStars Game #116955080: Omaha Pot Limit ($2/$4) - 2003/09/12 -
: : : : 12:30:43
: : : : : (EST)
: : : : : Table 'Bootes' Seat #2 is the button
: : : : : Seat 1: cool15 ($179.35 in chips)
: : : : : Seat 2: B Nick ($102.80 in chips)
: : : : : Seat 3: DavidYoung ($300.90 in chips)
: : : : : Seat 4: hoomer1 ($72 in chips)
: : : : : Seat 5: mazmaz ($710.40 in chips)
: : : : : Seat 6: milly ($447.20 in chips)
: : : : : Seat 7: Broke Style ($392 in chips)
: : : : : Seat 8: janporsche ($105.10 in chips)
: : : : : Seat 9: rounders3 ($250.20 in chips)
: : : : : DavidYoung: posts small blind $2
: : : : : hoomer1: posts big blind $4
: : : : : *** HOLE CARDS ***
: : : : : Dealt to DavidYoung [8h Ts 7h 9c]
: : : : : mazmaz: raises $10 to $14
: : : : : milly: calls $14
: : : : : Broke Style: folds
: : : : : janporsche: folds
: : : : : rounders3: folds
: : : : : cool15: folds
: : : : : B Nick: calls $14
: : : : : DavidYoung: raises $22 to $36
: : : : : hoomer1: folds
: : : : : mazmaz: calls $22
: : : : : milly: calls $22
: : : : : B Nick: calls $22
: : : : : *** FLOP *** [6s Tc Qs]
: : : : : DavidYoung: bets $116
: : : : : mazmaz: raises $377 to $493
: : : : : milly: folds
: : : : : B Nick: calls $66.80 and is all-in
: : : : : DavidYoung: calls $148.90 and is all-in
: : : : : *** TURN *** [6s Tc Qs] [3d]
: : : : : *** RIVER *** [6s Tc Qs 3d] [Qc]
: : : : : *** SHOW DOWN ***
: : : : : DavidYoung: shows [8h Ts 7h 9c] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
: : : : : mazmaz: mucks hand
: : : : : DavidYoung collected $396.20 from side pot
: : : : : B Nick: mucks hand
: : : : : DavidYoung collected $345.40 from main pot
: : : : : *** SUMMARY ***
: : : : : Total pot $744.60 Main pot $345.40. Side pot $396.20. | Rake $3
: : : : : Board [6s Tc Qs 3d Qc]
: : : : : Seat 1: cool15 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
: : : : : Seat 2: B Nick (button) mucked [Ks Jd Ah 3h] - two pair, Queens and
: : : Threes
: : : : : Seat 3: DavidYoung (small blind) showed [8h Ts 7h 9c] and won
: ($741.60)
: : : : with
: : : : : two pair, Queens and Tens
: : : : : Seat 4: hoomer1 (big blind) folded before Flop
: : : : : Seat 5: mazmaz mucked [7c 5s As 6c] - two pair, Queens and Sixes
: : : : : Seat 6: milly folded on the Flop
: : : : : Seat 7: Broke Style folded before Flop (didn't bet)
: : : : : Seat 8: janporsche folded before Flop (didn't bet)
: : : : : Seat 9: rounders3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
: : : : :
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ariston
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 10:29 am
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cheers carrott, would love to spread the word about shifting sands however i cant see it going down too well in vegas, i cant even get them to play it in salford.id love to know who in blackpool believes you are just lucky ( apart from howard).i know by the "previous" comment u are going back to the fish tank days but since then my cash game has changed significantly ( amazing what keeping records does for your game). i am only ever in a pot with u at your own game if i have "a monster" and i believe no hand in omaha is worth a pot raise preflop- a reraise now thats a different matter. i know your love of shifting sands and when you are in a pot with me at my game i am more cautious than i would be with most of the table. i consider myself to be a very strong omaha player but i know im not in your league yet and i would certainly put myself on a par with gerry who calls it all night with u sat next to him( i am not chipping at gerry here we have discussed this in length). i would gladly play omaha all night and i have done so in many other casinos, but i cant see the point in giving u the edge constantly. alot of the players in blackpool seem to enjoy playing and dont really mind if they win or lose- i want to win every time i sit down, so i hope u will forgive the dummy spitting when your bag of crap beat my monster.... at least i didnt throw the cards or threaten to have u floating in the sea.

--Previous Message--

: Hi Russ
:
: Sorry i beat your double aces with a single suited ace old chap but you didnt
: have much money in front of you and if id known you had aces i would of passed !
: You must admit you have got previous its not like it was Big Dave D re raising
: now is it !!!!
:
: However I thank you for your kind comments about my Omaha play some in
: Blackpool say ive been lucky for 12 years !!!!
:
: You know Ill give it back to you Russell next time at Shifting Sands ! -Good
: Luck in Viva Las Vegas you guys- try and spread a Shifting Sands table they
: think 5 Card Omaha is WOW over there !!!!
:
: Kind regards
: The Nugget
: --Previous Message--
:
: : Your views on my play and gareths shows that either youve played with me
: less
: : than u think, or that you werent playing close attention. Ask someone that
: : knows, like shaf, Stoke Geoff or kenny riley.
: :
: : anyway, i only dropped in to wind up DY...gl
: :
: : dd
: :
: : --Previous Message--
: :
: : : cheers for the explanation d, i would never dream of asking to see
: someones
: : : cards in a live game in case they had "passed" the winning hand in error.
: i
: : : understand collusion in he games but it must be near impossible in omaha
: : games
: : : as peoples "starting requirements" vary so much. i wouldnt consider
: calling
: : a
: : : potsize checkraise preflop with just one suited ace and rags if i was
: : certain
: : : the other player had aaxx. this happened to me last week when g jones
: called
: : my
: : : checkraise with what i said at the time was " a bag of *******s". when
: his
: : lone
: : : suited ace flopped the nut flush and scooped a rather large pot i was
: more
: : upset
: : : with his call than my play. the nuggett imo is one of the top omaha
: players
: : in
: : : the country (if not europe) and i took it as him classing me as a "fish",
: : : especialy when he said he didnt KNOW i had aces.
: : :
: : : --Previous Message--
: : :
: : : : I'm happy with the pre-flop re-raise. On the flop I must have thought
: : that
: : : I
: : : : was only betting into two people. That's what I recall thinking. I
: don't
: : : think I
: : : : would have done it if I'd realised that there were three. It's one
: thing
: : to
: : : : think that 2 people will fold but it's 'optimistic' to think that three
: : : will
: : : : drop. As it is, betting into two people is fairly reckless.
: : : :
: : : : Separately,
: : : :
: : : : I must stress that hand histories don't show the cards of people who
: have
: : : : folded. Nobody has folded in this hand! What is confusing is the use of
: : the
: : : : words 'mucks hand' which means that they scuttled their cards on the
: : : showdown at
: : : : the river AFTER I've shown mine.
: : : :
: : : : In a live game you have the right to see the hands of all people who
: are
: : : still
: : : : in at the end. It's rarely done as it poisons the atmosphere, but you
: : have
: : : the
: : : : right to check whether there was something fishy for example.
: : : :
: : : : The fact that you can request hand histories easily in online poker
: makes
: : : it
: : : : possible for players to refer anything suspicious to the site. I did
: this
: : : once
: : : : when I saw someone make a strange raise pre-flop in limit hold'em that
: : : seemed to
: : : : make sense at all except to build up the pot. I wrote to Roy Cooke who
: : : : supervises Planet Poker and he wrote back later to say that while it
: did
: : : look
: : : : strange, he didn't think that they were colluding having seen them both
: : : drawing
: : : : to the same flush in other hands.
: : : :
: : : : DY
: : : :
: : : :
: : : :
: : : :
: : : : u got very lucky on this hand but imo u didnt play it that badly. i
: : : regularly
: : : : raise or reraise on this type of hand because most people will then put
: : me
: : : on
: : : : aces and when i "miss" the flop they will pay me off. in a pot with
: : : multiway
: : : : action i would prefer your hand to aces suited as it is likely at
: least
: : : one
: : : : or 2 of the aces has already gone reducing the chances of catching a
: : : favourable
: : : : flop for my aajt.i know dave adores his aaxx and finds it difficult to
: : : release
: : : : his
: : : : : hand on the flop in question but i still like your hand on the flop.
: i
: : : must
: : : : say
: : : : : i would probably have played the hand in a similar way to yourself
: : : postflop:
: : : : hoping to get rid of people who have completely missed and knowing even
: : if
: : : i
: : : : get
: : : : : called i have enough "outs" to the nuts or a probable winning str8.
: : what
: : : : does
: : : : : surprise me in this scenario is the fact the hand history shows the
: : hands
: : : u
: : : : were
: : : : : up against even though they folded.is this common? when i miss a
: : monster
: : : : draw i: would prefer the opponent not to know my cards. i am glad i
: : rarely
: : : play
: : : : online
: : : : : if this is common as it must give u an edge in player profiling etc.
: i
: : : know
: : : : for
: : : : : certain bigdd will disagree with my opinions on omaha but i consider
: it
: : : my
: : : : : strongest game and my records over the last 12 months confirm this.
: : : : :
: : : : : --Previous Message--
: : : : :
: : : : : : This was one of the best feelings I've had in a while. I tried to
: be
: : : : : deceptive
: : : : : : pre-flop, painted myself into a corner on the flop, missed all my
: : : : straight
: : : : : draws
: : : : : : and then find I was in front on the flop with middle pair and
: rubbish
: : : : : kickers!
: : : : : :
: : : : : :
: : : : : : Transcript for game #116955080 requested by DavidYoung
: : : : : : *********** # 1 **************
: : : : : : PokerStars Game #116955080: Omaha Pot Limit ($2/$4) - 2003/09/12 -
: : : : : 12:30:43
: : : : : : (EST)
: : : : : : Table 'Bootes' Seat #2 is the button
: : : : : : Seat 1: cool15 ($179.35 in chips)
: : : : : : Seat 2: B Nick ($102.80 in chips)
: : : : : : Seat 3: DavidYoung ($300.90 in chips)
: : : : : : Seat 4: hoomer1 ($72 in chips)
: : : : : : Seat 5: mazmaz ($710.40 in chips)
: : : : : : Seat 6: milly ($447.20 in chips)
: : : : : : Seat 7: Broke Style ($392 in chips)
: : : : : : Seat 8: janporsche ($105.10 in chips)
: : : : : : Seat 9: rounders3 ($250.20 in chips)
: : : : : : DavidYoung: posts small blind $2
: : : : : : hoomer1: posts big blind $4
: : : : : : *** HOLE CARDS ***
: : : : : : Dealt to DavidYoung [8h Ts 7h 9c]
: : : : : : mazmaz: raises $10 to $14
: : : : : : milly: calls $14
: : : : : : Broke Style: folds
: : : : : : janporsche: folds
: : : : : : rounders3: folds
: : : : : : cool15: folds
: : : : : : B Nick: calls $14
: : : : : : DavidYoung: raises $22 to $36
: : : : : : hoomer1: folds
: : : : : : mazmaz: calls $22
: : : : : : milly: calls $22
: : : : : : B Nick: calls $22
: : : : : : *** FLOP *** [6s Tc Qs]
: : : : : : DavidYoung: bets $116
: : : : : : mazmaz: raises $377 to $493
: : : : : : milly: folds
: : : : : : B Nick: calls $66.80 and is all-in
: : : : : : DavidYoung: calls $148.90 and is all-in
: : : : : : *** TURN *** [6s Tc Qs] [3d]
: : : : : : *** RIVER *** [6s Tc Qs 3d] [Qc]
: : : : : : *** SHOW DOWN ***
: : : : : : DavidYoung: shows [8h Ts 7h 9c] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
: : : : : : mazmaz: mucks hand
: : : : : : DavidYoung collected $396.20 from side pot
: : : : : : B Nick: mucks hand
: : : : : : DavidYoung collected $345.40 from main pot
: : : : : : *** SUMMARY ***
: : : : : : Total pot $744.60 Main pot $345.40. Side pot $396.20. | Rake $3
: : : : : : Board [6s Tc Qs 3d Qc]
: : : : : : Seat 1: cool15 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
: : : : : : Seat 2: B Nick (button) mucked [Ks Jd Ah 3h] - two pair, Queens and
: : : : Threes
: : : : : : Seat 3: DavidYoung (small blind) showed [8h Ts 7h 9c] and won
: : ($741.60)
: : : : : with
: : : : : : two pair, Queens and Tens
: : : : : : Seat 4: hoomer1 (big blind) folded before Flop
: : : : : : Seat 5: mazmaz mucked [7c 5s As 6c] - two pair, Queens and Sixes
: : : : : : Seat 6: milly folded on the Flop
: : : : : : Seat 7: Broke Style folded before Flop (didn't bet)
: : : : : : Seat 8: janporsche folded before Flop (didn't bet)
: : : : : : Seat 9: rounders3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
: : : : : :
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ironside
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2003 3:58 pm
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i am too new to omaha hi to comment
but just a question in that why do you get to see the cards of a player that mucked them?

--Previous Message--

: This was one of the best feelings I've had in a while. I tried to be deceptive
: pre-flop, painted myself into a corner on the flop, missed all my straight draws
: and then find I was in front on the flop with middle pair and rubbish kickers!
:
:
: Transcript for game #116955080 requested by DavidYoung
: *********** # 1 **************
: PokerStars Game #116955080: Omaha Pot Limit ($2/$4) - 2003/09/12 - 12:30:43
: (EST)
: Table 'Bootes' Seat #2 is the button
: Seat 1: cool15 ($179.35 in chips)
: Seat 2: B Nick ($102.80 in chips)
: Seat 3: DavidYoung ($300.90 in chips)
: Seat 4: hoomer1 ($72 in chips)
: Seat 5: mazmaz ($710.40 in chips)
: Seat 6: milly ($447.20 in chips)
: Seat 7: Broke Style ($392 in chips)
: Seat 8: janporsche ($105.10 in chips)
: Seat 9: rounders3 ($250.20 in chips)
: DavidYoung: posts small blind $2
: hoomer1: posts big blind $4
: *** HOLE CARDS ***
: Dealt to DavidYoung [8h Ts 7h 9c]
: mazmaz: raises $10 to $14
: milly: calls $14
: Broke Style: folds
: janporsche: folds
: rounders3: folds
: cool15: folds
: B Nick: calls $14
: DavidYoung: raises $22 to $36
: hoomer1: folds
: mazmaz: calls $22
: milly: calls $22
: B Nick: calls $22
: *** FLOP *** [6s Tc Qs]
: DavidYoung: bets $116
: mazmaz: raises $377 to $493
: milly: folds
: B Nick: calls $66.80 and is all-in
: DavidYoung: calls $148.90 and is all-in
: *** TURN *** [6s Tc Qs] [3d]
: *** RIVER *** [6s Tc Qs 3d] [Qc]
: *** SHOW DOWN ***
: DavidYoung: shows [8h Ts 7h 9c] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
: mazmaz: mucks hand
: DavidYoung collected $396.20 from side pot
: B Nick: mucks hand
: DavidYoung collected $345.40 from main pot
: *** SUMMARY ***
: Total pot $744.60 Main pot $345.40. Side pot $396.20. | Rake $3
: Board [6s Tc Qs 3d Qc]
: Seat 1: cool15 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
: Seat 2: B Nick (button) mucked [Ks Jd Ah 3h] - two pair, Queens and Threes
: Seat 3: DavidYoung (small blind) showed [8h Ts 7h 9c] and won ($741.60) with
: two pair, Queens and Tens
: Seat 4: hoomer1 (big blind) folded before Flop
: Seat 5: mazmaz mucked [7c 5s As 6c] - two pair, Queens and Sixes
: Seat 6: milly folded on the Flop
: Seat 7: Broke Style folded before Flop (didn't bet)
: Seat 8: janporsche folded before Flop (didn't bet)
: Seat 9: rounders3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
:
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