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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:46 pm
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Totally agree with those United fans....if I was a United fan at this stage I would be incredibly angry. I would be angry and asking questions as to why of all the managers in world football Ferguson picked a fellow Scot who he has a close relationship with and that is common knowledge. Not only that but a manager who has not proved a single thing that he can do that merits getting a job of this magnitude.

Guardiola must be shaking in his boots at the thought of facing a rival manager with so much Champions League video footage experience......what a joke statement. Any high level competition of this nature requires rapid on the fly calculation and tactical awareness in the heat of battle......where is Moyes experience of that???????? That's like trying to be a top class poker player without ever having played but who has read loads of books and seen loads of coaching videos....totally impossible. Statements like that is taking fans for mugs......I can appreciate spin but that's just a joke.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:03 pm
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I totally agree with you Dean, but now they've employed him, they're stuck with him. Shame the board were too scared of Fergie to question his choice at the time. And what experience of managing world-class players did Moyes have also? So many boxes were left unticked by him he never deserved the shot IMO.

But saying all that they will give him three seasons IMO. The only way they'll sack him is if they are battling relegation half-way through a season.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:46 am
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I totally agree with you Dean, but now they've employed him, they're stuck with him. Shame the board were too scared of Fergie to question his choice at the time. And what experience of managing world-class players did Moyes have also? So many boxes were left unticked by him he never deserved the shot IMO.

But saying all that they will give him three seasons IMO. The only way they'll sack him is if they are battling relegation half-way through a season.




United for me are in a very difficult situation. They knew a transitional period was likely and this season was far worse than expected. Nobody connected with the club from the very top to the fans expected 6th-7th and getting mullered by every top side they face. The glazers had to go with Ferguson's recommendation......what Fergie did at United in terms of success put him in the ideal situation to basically control much of what happens in the club and businessman know dick about football so they have to trust someone and who better than the man who brought so much success to the club......that made Fergie bullet proof at OT.

If you listen to ex-players speak then they all accuse him of being a control freak and very control orientated. The ex-United players mention the word "control" an awful lot when they speak of Ferguson and once again I will repeat myself.......it absolutely STAGGERS me that a man with no proven experience of operating anywhere near Uniteds level could have got that job. The United job is one of the top four club jobs in world football and to get that job should require a CV of the highest order.

Sacking Moyes now is not the right move and they are stuck with him for at least another six months simply because he has excuses and how very convenient it is for Moyes that he can hide behind some of them. If United are in turmoil then which star names will want to come to OT with no CL football and an unproven manager???? So it will be interesting to see who United land in the summer and how Moyes makes them gel next season. He has spent mega money already in Fellaini and Mata and they haven't shone yet (if Fellaini ever can). If he spends more big money and that doesn't work then he has no chance.

At this current level of performance then I will give him to the end of next season tops. United cannot afford anymore than that. The anger of the fans if it gets worse could compel the Glazers to act sooner....that will be interesting to see. The thing is that this season can't get much worse. They will lose to Bayern and their league position will be roughly the same give or take. A few positive results against weak sides should get the fans off his back for a while and then the seasons over. But next season and the pressure is REALLY going to be on him.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:52 am
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Have you heard that the United fans are trying to cobble together the funds to send a Moyes-protest banner over OT by plane? Popcorn
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:51 am
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They should have a banner or clock showing how many years it has been since they won the FA Cup, lets face it they have won as many as Accrington Stanley in the new Wembley stadium. Angel
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DropTheHammer wrote:
Have you heard that the United fans are trying to cobble together the funds to send a Moyes-protest banner over OT by plane? Popcorn



Hadn't heard that, just heard though on Sky Sports News that Hiddink is to replace Van Gaal as the Dutch national coach after the world cup. That may just pave the way to a move to Spurs.

I think though that if there is blame to be given out then other people need to share it and probably should take the brunt of it with no bigger name than Ferguson for me on that list. How can you blame a man for taking one of the biggest jobs in world football? How can you blame him for not being good enough? The blame almost entirely should rest on Ferguson's shoulders irrespective of what success he brought to the club.

The Glazers sought advice and Ferguson was there to advise them. Also because he was Fergies choice then Fergie will certainly be covering Moyes' back to the Glazers but that will only last so long. This reminds me somewhat when Kevin Keegan got the England job after Hoddle resigned. Only after he left did he openly admit (to his credit) that he wasn't up to the job and I think McClaren also said that the same job came too early in his career but it doesn't stop them taking the job when it is offered hence you can't blame Moyes.
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Got to take your hat off to Moyes tonight, I thought he got his tactics spot on and to keep United in this tie going into the second leg at the Allianz is no mean feat and is something I didn't expect as I thought perhaps it would be another Liverpool/City scoreline.

United despite the away goal have a bigger chance of going through now than they did at the start for me. With a depleted squad as well you have to take your hat off to Moyes and I am chuffed for him Clap

Although wtf do I know about football considering that I thought the title race at the start of the season would be a 2-horse race between City and Chelsea Very Happy
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OMG OMG OMG Shocked Shocked Shocked

Wow how wrong was i ??
gave him $28 million to spend on Mata as well, the more i watch football the more i realise the people running these clubs have absolutely no idea wtf they are doing when it comes to the football side of things
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:58 pm
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the shiver wrote:
OMG OMG OMG Shocked Shocked Shocked

Wow how wrong was i ??
gave him $28 million to spend on Mata as well, the more i watch football the more i realise the people running these clubs have absolutely no idea wtf they are doing when it comes to the football side of things



I think they speculated at that stage, they were still in the CL and a chance of the top 4. The CL prize money doubles next season and so United cannot afford another duff season. The performances have compelled them to act sooner rather than later and they really didn't have a choice given the series of events. Hard to sympathize with United, a job of this magnitude really should go one of two ways.....you either go with the continuity approach and promote internally or you get someone with the right CV as I have stated in previous posts.......United did neither!!!!!!!

Moyes CV was woefully inadequate for a job of this size and he would never have got a sniff in any other industry which leads me to think WHY??????????

Now perhaps United can move on and Ferguson having less control of the club will be a good thing moving forward. I think Van Gaal would do a good job if he gets it but there needs to be a rebuilding phase now as the club has gone backwards rapidly. Getting top 4 next season will be tough whoever is in charge. They are not going to be able to land Guardiola or Mourinho but Klopp would get them playing great football also in the United tradition.

Its all starting to come out now and I have just heard how Moyes pissed off the United defenders when he forced them to watch footage of Phil Jagielka in action to learn something.........what a joke. Humiliation and alienation is not the way to man manage big players and he clearly lost the dressing room. Wtf has Jagielka won compared to United's players????
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:30 pm
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One down side to all this is the chances of a British manager being appointed to one of the big clubs is going to be even slimmer. Let's face it there are no Brits in the frame for the job.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:51 am
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One down side to all this is the chances of a British manager being appointed to one of the big clubs is going to be even slimmer. Let's face it there are no Brits in the frame for the job.



Can you blame foreign owners for not going British when Moyes has turned this season into one big f*** up. Reading the reports that are coming out now and it is clear that there was serious mismanagement by Moyes at player level. Gary Neville said that he hadn't lost the dressing room but many of his comments are guarded when it comes to him speaking about United internally........Moyes lost the confidence of the players big time when you read the full magnitude of reports that are leaking out.

How can United bring foreign investors to OT for games when they know that fans are booing the manager and banners are being flown over OT wanting him out??? It becomes very difficult to secure deals under those sorts of circumstances and purely from a financial perspective alone he simply had to go as the name of the club was being tarnished and that means loss of commercial revenue.

The reported 7m in compo is small fry compared to 120m jump in their share price on news that he had been sacked. He had to be sacked sooner rather than later once the fans turned against him. The bulk of United's income comes from commercial dealings and TV revenue with only around 20% coming from gate receipts. OT will always have 75k for prem/CL/big games etc but the commercial side of things would be hit massively by a lack of success on the pitch. The future today is much brighter for United and United fans if they have any sense should celebrate his exit in the same way that the stock market did.
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