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SeanFoley
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:59 pm
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How long was the tourny delayed for?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:10 pm
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Just watched this and have to agree the situation did stink. Not just the fact that he agreed to a deal and they all started celebrating then he comes back and says no deal but this was all after he actually got the other guys to give him more money than the icm numbers by saying 'i'm going to need more' without really justifying why.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:35 pm
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SeanFoley wrote:
How long was the tourny delayed for?


Stapes was commentating on this and he stated at one point that it was well over 1/2 hour.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:36 pm
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You shouldn't be allowed to confer with people on the rail for any reason, imo. All details of splits, etc, should be sorted between the relevant parties beforehand. It's not a team game at the tables.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:10 pm
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peterH wrote:
You shouldn't be allowed to confer with people on the rail for any reason, imo. All details of splits, etc, should be sorted between the relevant parties beforehand. It's not a team game at the tables.


I agree with this.

Also I just think Tom is a bit inexperienced at this level and found himself easily led. Live Pro's like Jon with years of experience of high level FTs and millions in winnings take this sort of stuff in thier stride.

Would like to hear more from our resident TV star Gary on what he would have done.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:17 pm
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Bogus wrote:
Would like to hear more from our resident TV star Gary on what he would have done.


Probably asked for a marmalade sandwich to sweeten the deal
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:22 pm
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Haven't seen the footage, but the people that have all seem to say that a deal was ageed by the players, before Tom went to consult with the rail, and then came back and said sorry no deal. Not sure if he asked for better terms, (sounds like they were quite favourable already), but if not, I don't see why the rail could not have said something sooner, to stop the discussion right there and then.

Either way, very shitty thing for Tom to do, if as has been stated they all agreed, (handshakes or not), and were celebrating etc. He should have stuck by the deal, and then taken whatever consequences that meant with his backers. After all, once they give the buy-in to Tom, its not their money anymore, they don't get to decide what he does with his cards, so I don't see why they should get to decide or have a say in any deals. Obviously as his friends, that are entitled to give their opinion, but they were way past that stage, Tom should have asked their opinion before agreeing to a deal.

I think I would be trying to have a word with the tournament director about the rules, if Tom had agreed a deal, but then changed his mind after consulting with his backers. One person per hand and all that. Because this is a bit like saying after someone goes all in, 'I think I will fold, but hold on a sec', then after Consulting with the rail, saying 'No, I decided to call'.

Also, if the ageement was caught on TV, I would be considering some legal advice. Verbal agreements are often legally binding. Usually very hard to prove one exists of course, but since in this instance it would seem easy to prove. If I was the player who lost out on the 200K, due to the agreement being taken back, I would seriously consider my options.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:07 pm
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cheers for the link v

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:22 am
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Full live coverage:

http://www.pokertube.com/videos/ept10...n-event-ft-part-4

Link


TV broadcast episode:
(starts around 28 minutes)
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/po...rscom/4od#3548135

During the deal discussion, Kresten Nielsen offers his hand and Tom shakes it and then when the Italian finally agrees, Luca Fiorini offers his hand but Tom doesn't shake and says he needs to run it by his friends one more time. Middleton might not have gone about the deal in the best way but given what I saw, I wouldn't hold it against him.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:43 pm
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Middleton is a solid mtt pro
He found out what the potential deal was asked for advice , made the correct decision and won the tournament.
Short handed with a donkey on the table is not the time to do a deal
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:02 pm
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Middleton has a face I'd like to punch.
Very much rooting against the whiny little prick when all that went down.
Shame he didn't go out 4th
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:05 pm
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Mark McCormack wrote:
Middleton is a solid mtt pro
He found out what the potential deal was asked for advice , made the correct decision and won the tournament.
Short handed with a donkey on the table is not the time to do a deal

Having played with 3 of them before I wouldn't say any of them were donkeys ???
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:06 pm
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Sorry 2 the Finn and the Dane.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:23 pm
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Meanwhile back on earth, the long running mystery of left twix/right twix has been solved. Two guys, two girls and a talking dog last seen driving to Brum shouting "missing marmalade eh!!"
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:44 pm
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Thoroughly disgusted. I have always thought deals are a good thing to counter variance, but having seen the broadcast and read about it on here, I am beginning to think there should be no consultation with other players, and you should have a very limited time to agree the deal. "Scummy" is a word some of the others have used on here. Even though he's a Brit I wish him all the worst possible luck in the world.
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