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Jools Flush
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:58 pm Post subject: FTP deal expected to be closed next week |
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FTP deal expected to be closed next week
Laurent Tapie will need four weeks to get site up and running after resolution of legal issues.
http://www.egrmagazine.com/news/ftp_d..._closed_next_week
Anyone a member at this site to get the full article? it is a pay site I think. |
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galty Straight
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: FTP deal expected to be closed next week |
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| Jools wrote: |
Anyone a member at this site to get the full article? it is a pay site I think. |
Well at £410 + VAT a year think I will pass _________________ "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an un-scrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." |
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sleepingtom Straight

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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:16 pm Post subject: Re: FTP deal expected to be closed next week |
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| please happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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timped Straight

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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 1:29 am Post subject: Re: FTP deal expected to be closed next week |
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| sleepingtom wrote: | | please happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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tommymac Chip Collector

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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:09 am Post subject: Re: FTP deal expected to be closed next week |
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http://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/wor...-Imminent-_57589/
| Quote: | Full Tilt Poker Takeover Deal Imminent?
Rumors are rapidly spreading that Groupe Bernard Tapie's long-awaited takeover of Full Tilt Poker's assets is likely to be finalized over the next several days. Find out the details.
GBT Director Laurent Tapie In a story initially reported on by Gaming Intelligence, Groupe Bernard Tapie's (GBT) takeover of Full Tilt Poker may be finalized as early as this week.
Towards the end of February, GBT attorney Behnam Dayanim told PokerStrategy.com that the parties involved with the deal decided to extend its previous deadline. The deadline was extended to March 16th, and with that date rapidly approaching rumors have been circulating throughout the poker world that the deal may finally reach its conclusion.
While Gaming Intelligence reported that its sources are confident in the deal being finalized by the March 16th deadline, PokerStrategy.com cannot confirm quite the same degree of optimism.
Our own sources have informed us that while negotiations and the due diligence process are in their final phases, there is still a chance that one last deadline extension may be necessary before the deal can be completed.
After the deal has been finalized, it has been estimated that it will take approximately one month before Full Tilt Poker can reopen for business.
As always, PokerStrategy.com will closely follow and report on this story as it develops. |
_________________ #whenwillitend |
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Koumari Boy Full House
Joined: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 1015
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: FTP deal expected to be closed next week |
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| tommymac wrote: | http://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/world-of-poker/Full-Tilt-Poker-Takeover-Deal-Imminent-_57589/
| Quote: | Full Tilt Poker Takeover Deal Imminent?
Rumors are rapidly spreading that Groupe Bernard Tapie's long-awaited takeover of Full Tilt Poker's assets is likely to be finalized over the next several days. Find out the details.
GBT Director Laurent Tapie In a story initially reported on by Gaming Intelligence, Groupe Bernard Tapie's (GBT) takeover of Full Tilt Poker may be finalized as early as this week.
Towards the end of February, GBT attorney Behnam Dayanim told PokerStrategy.com that the parties involved with the deal decided to extend its previous deadline. The deadline was extended to March 16th, and with that date rapidly approaching rumors have been circulating throughout the poker world that the deal may finally reach its conclusion.
While Gaming Intelligence reported that its sources are confident in the deal being finalized by the March 16th deadline, PokerStrategy.com cannot confirm quite the same degree of optimism.
Our own sources have informed us that while negotiations and the due diligence process are in their final phases, there is still a chance that one last deadline extension may be necessary before the deal can be completed.
After the deal has been finalized, it has been estimated that it will take approximately one month before Full Tilt Poker can reopen for business.
As always, PokerStrategy.com will closely follow and report on this story as it develops. |
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Lets hope it gets confirmed asap and that everyone gets their money back.
My greatest fear however is that the Tapie Group intend to give people a relatively small amount of their balance back but its difficult to see how he can get away with not reimbursing players their full balance if he expects the new Full Tilt to be a success _________________ Wish I could Find The Time To Play More Poker:-( |
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oneshotbob Full House

Joined: 06 Aug 2010 Posts: 1273 Location: York, United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: FTP deal expected to be closed next week |
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I do due diligence reports as a job. I would have LOVED to have been on this one.
I can't see why he would repay players. It just doesn't make commercial sense. _________________ @oneshotbobby on twitter |
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peligruso Full House

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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: FTP deal expected to be closed next week |
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| Does anyone know roughly how much Is owed to players? |
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darrensprengers Misclick

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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: FTP deal expected to be closed next week |
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| oneshotbob wrote: | I do due diligence reports as a job. I would have LOVED to have been on this one.
I can't see why he would repay players. It just doesn't make commercial sense. |
because its best not to take over a business and alienate your entire customer base? _________________ The next best thing to gambling and winning is gambling and losing.
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Uibhist a tuath Trips

Joined: 22 Aug 2010 Posts: 156 Location: Glasgow, UK
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: FTP deal expected to be closed next week |
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| oneshotbob wrote: | I do due diligence reports as a job. I would have LOVED to have been on this one.
I can't see why he would repay players. It just doesn't make commercial sense. |
Because if I dont get my money back, he wont be getting my business/rake. If i do, he will. Im sure that applies for the vast majority of players. I hope so anyway. |
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oneshotbob Full House

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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: FTP deal expected to be closed next week |
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| Uibhist a tuath wrote: | | oneshotbob wrote: | I do due diligence reports as a job. I would have LOVED to have been on this one.
I can't see why he would repay players. It just doesn't make commercial sense. |
Because if I dont get my money back, he wont be getting my business/rake. If i do, he will. Im sure that applies for the vast majority of players. I hope so anyway. |
I can see that point, but it's the "vast majority" bit that I don't believe. He'll be paying out millions and I think a large % will not play there anymore. If I was doingit, I'd buy the assets out of administration and use them to start a new poker room with the same software. _________________ @oneshotbobby on twitter |
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Koumari Boy Full House
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: FTP deal expected to be closed next week |
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| peligruso wrote: | | Does anyone know roughly how much Is owed to players? |
About $150 million to US players if the deal gets done and he pays the DoJ $80 million but then the DoJ will pay the US players.
Plus around $185 million to Rest of the World players which Tapie has the responsibility for paying back.
So along with getting the assets of Full Tilt Poker he has to pay the rest of the world players that $185 million.
Not sure if this figure includes affiliate fees/debts.
I am also unsure if he gets the other commercial debts amounting to around another $25 million plus any other possible liabilities I am not aware of. _________________ Wish I could Find The Time To Play More Poker:-( |
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JAKE900 One Pair
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: FTP deal expected to be closed next week |
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Firstly let me say i hope everyone does get their monies back (or at least close enough to be a reasonable outcome).
there are we few things we dont know and have to make semi educated guesses at.
how many players deemed as active or those that can be reactivated actually had money in thier accounts ?
of those how many had more than say, a few dollars ?
the reason these two questions are relevant is simple: it is likely that no more than 40% of 'actives' (those that play more than say 5 times a month, and that %age could well be much lower) had funds in the account, but merely deposited and played as the mood took them. also of those with 'shrapnel' accounts, that is to say small balances, how many of them can be tempted back with a 'under new management mega freeroll series' or something like that.
so how much does GBT actually have to pay out to players ? there must be weighting towards being more complete to higher rakers. but we have already been told that those with higher balances will be 'made whole' and offered shares or interest in the newly formed company, not actually thier money back. shares based on what value ?
this is going to come down to a numbers game. how much does GBT actually need to pay out to make the restart of FTP profitable over the next 2 years ? we already know that GBT got FTP at far less than it was worth.
how much of a %age of the player base needs to return (talking active or of value players not dormant etc obv) to make any purchase agreement and relaunch / associated costs worth it.
even an untrained eye can see its no higher than 50% as things stands. and most likely no higher than 25% given plans for growth and tie into ISPT (another dodgy as thing which just makes your skin crawl).
IF 30% of the players returned that would make them the size of the Ipoker network now, just to put it in perspective. the I poker network has been recently valued at just under $500 mil. so a returning 30% player base is profit for GBT then,,, so if they paid out 30% on the dollar,,, would that work ?
there is no law saying they reopen withdrawals at the same time as deposits, there is no reason they have to give everyone 100% reimbursement, they have already said they wont do that for all. so they will get some rake back for themselves from the money they give back to players, not a bad spot to be in.
one last thing to mull over: if they can relaunch in one month,, would they ?
unless completed already they wouldnt get into any of the magazines and poker publishing in that time frame. technically it is doable but one month is very short to do it properly such that no logical person would even think of it, and before everyone argues,, one month just simply wont and cant happen,,, so given this, why would they say that, another carrot ? like the one in December, the one in January, the one in feb, and mow march's carrot,, we will probably have a april carrot for the end of may for the WSOP (when you see that one you can know for a fact its a carrot as GBT coudlnt legally do that). |
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The Dean Straight Flush

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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: FTP deal expected to be closed next week |
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| darrensprengers wrote: | | oneshotbob wrote: | I do due diligence reports as a job. I would have LOVED to have been on this one.
I can't see why he would repay players. It just doesn't make commercial sense. |
because its best not to take over a business and alienate your entire customer base? |
This.....
If Tapie takes over then I cannot see him doing so without seeing that everyone gets paid back in full. I know that I would if I were taking over as the reputation needs to be repaired as much as possible in order for profit potential to max out. Lets face it.....on the great scheme of things.......whats $185 million when compared to the FTP business model and future earning potential based on past performance. If its done right then it simply turns into a very expensive speculation of which he is probably going to make an awful lot of money.
I think most players who having got their bankrolls back would deem the site to be in much better hands and continue to play there. Its possible he could get his money back within a year or two if its handled right. _________________ Poker columnist at www.poker.co.uk |
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oneshotbob Full House

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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: FTP deal expected to be closed next week |
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Option 1) Pay everyone back, hope they still play there. Start on minus $185m and whatever you paid for it.
Option 2) Buy the assets of the company, start again with a fresh reputation and offer a brilliant initial rakeback deal using the $185m you just saved. At least this way, you are giving $185m to players who will definitely play there.
Maybe i'm wrong, and I hope I am. I guess it depends how much money he's got. I know for certain that no bank will be lending him the $185m. _________________ @oneshotbobby on twitter |
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